This is something that seems to be reproduceable consistently:
If I add a track in the Arrange section and proceed to select a motion, all options are initially granted to me. Once I have chosen one and an associated track is added with that motion, if I click on the newly-created track and then click on the magnifying glass to browse what other motions are available, I have an incredibly limited selection of choices now compared to what was first shown me when creating a new track.
This is very frustrating because it means I need to create a new track every time I want to demo a different motion other than the options that were most local to the subcategory of the one originally chosen. See the screenshot, but basically everything is grayed out. I canāt even access my own favorites from here
Each Motion type has different MIDI modifiers available to it in the Sidebar. You can move the clips track to track but if you want a different motion you need to create a different track.
Hope that helps.
I thought it was a bug too. Itās definitely something that needs to change in a future release. A user doesnāt care that the MIDI modifiers would have to change. A user just wants to experiment with different motions without having to create a new track and assign new instruments and effects to that track each time.
Itās more important that you can apply modifiers and parameters to multiple clips in a lane for me. We would lose that functionality if we allow mixed motions. Letās see how the community responds.
I wasnāt suggesting mixing motion types in one track (although that would be nice).
I was just surprised that I couldnāt change the motion type for the whole track.
I was actually surprised that you have to choose a motion type when adding a track. You donāt necessarily know what you want at that point. You just want to play with a bunch of randomly chosen performances, passages, sequences etc to see where they take you.
Scaler 2 does not have multiple tracks but on the one ātrackā it does have you can assign any performance, sequence, bass line etc to any of the segments.
Aha! Got it. Youāre not alone there, some creatives here felt strongly about that too. We will discuss and see how users feel as they use Scaler 3.
Thanks for the feedback.
Same issue here. I thought the whole idea was to mix and match motions and then modify / edit them. Greyed out options hinder the creative juices! Tried VST, AU, standalone etc. No joyā¦
Why must I delete an arrangement lane and re-add it to change the arrangement style? When I choose an arrangement type, e.g., All > Articulations Arpeggio Up, I cannot choose anything outside the style of that initial choice if I want to try out this sound as a bass track (Iām messing with sounds and sequences searching for inspiration). I have to set up another arrangement track and the midi routing, which kills all flow.
This hasnāt been very pleasant so far. Iām only 10 minutes in, and I kind of regret falling for the hype.
I found that when adding a new track and selecting motion Arpeggio > User, I can then add instruments, effects and edit midi without any constraints. Help any?
Not really. Itās changing between motion types, passages, sequences etc on an existing track that you canāt do. Suppose you create an arpeggio track and select āupā. From that point on all you can do is choose from the other arp options (up/down etc). If you want to try out a passage or a sequence or anything else you have to delete the track and create a new one. If you had assigned an instrument, some fx and edited stuff like pan and volume you have to manually replicate that on your new track, which is a bit of a flow killer.
Ultimately Iād like to be able to mix and match this stuff on one track. I understand Davideās comment about the editing parameters being different but in terms of pure notes why canāt I have two bars of an arpeggio, a bar of a sequence then a bar of a passage on the same track? They are just notes, after all. At present you have to create three different tracks, assign three instances of the same instrument to them and take care to keep the the volume/pan levels the same across the tracks. If itās the edit controls that are causing this limitation maybe we need a āfreeform trackā that does not have the edit controls but allows all of the motions to be used.
I agree with boingy. I see this version of S3 as a beta really, and hopefully this issue is something that will be resolved in the multitude of updates to come. But I still think itās one of the best bits of creative software out there, and at an amazing price!
But you can! (see below). The question is do we want the ability to back to the motions browser choose a different motion and get a pop up saying 'this will replace your existing track?
Is it possible to assign different motions / rhythms to individual chords in the main track? I only see the parameter to change the motion on the main track in the side bar when I enable it at the bottom, but when I select specific chords and change it in the sidebar, it sets every chord in the main track as that motion and changes the setting at the bottom as well. Iām trying to have my chords set to an alternating rhythm with a legato on the last one and canāt figure it out.
Thanks @davide. Thatās a revelation! So it is possible to mix and match motion types on one track but you have to jump through a few hoops to achieve it. I have to ask why I canāt just split an existing clip in two then change the second clip to a different motion type?
Practical example. Suppose I have a very simple progression - one bar each of C, F, C & G. Iād like three bars of Passage 1 then one bar of an up/down arpeggio. The only way I can find to achieve this is to make a Passage track and an Arpeggio track, split and delete the 4th bar of Passage, cut out one bar of Arp, drag it to the passage track, then delete the Arp track. I donāt see why I canāt just split the Passage clip after bar 3 then directly change the 4th bar to the arp. I thought you were saying that itās not possible to have mixed motion types on one track due to the MIDI modifiers but it clearly is so this feels more like an unnecessary restriction in the UI.
But the good news is that I can get the result that I want.
One other tiny suggestion. I think the scissors icon for splitting clips would be better as a razor blade. That would make it more consistent with DAW-land in general. Scissors tend to mean ācut and pasteā rather than split.
late to this, but I have to agree that I would just experiment with different Motions ā¦ without creating a new track. it is just to see what is best and what will work. I first thought it was an error that this is not possible.
Maybe with a button where I can choose between experimental mode and fixed if I have different motions in a arrangement track or automatically telling me that switching will delete a different set of motions in one track.
But the new midi section is still limited to the selected set of motions for that track? Unless some voodoo is happening in the clip that I canāt see?
So Iāve just discovered a few things that relate directly to this - leading to two actual questions relating to changing motions.
It all started with a problem: I created a progression on Sketch, and added a motion I liked, and brought the progression with its motion to the Main Track. I then added two new bars and two new chords to the Main Track, dropping them from the Explore Page. But those newly added chords did not match the motion of the rest of the progression. Thusā¦
QUESTION 1: Is there a way to adjust motions on individual chords? If not, is there a way to lock a motion to a track so that any changes to the progression will adopt the pre-existing motion?
DISCOVERY 1: The only workaround I was able to come up with was to go back to the Sketch pad, add the extended progression to two lanes on Sketch, select the motion I wanted, and drop those chords back into the Main Track. But the discovery there was you CAN put different motions and even different motion types on the same track. You just add the motions in different Sketch lanes (e.g., an arp, a phrase, and a rhythm) and drop them into the Main Track. Which leads toā¦
QUESTION 2: @davide showed what looks like an easier way to do this above, but Iām not following it. Surely there IS a simpler way to adjust motions on a long track than going back and forth to Sketch?
Ah! Now you are getting into some deeper exploratory territory. I want to keep away from different motions to different chords on the main track as this is exactly the intention for the multi-track. It was never to replace your DAW just allows you to freely do what you want with motions. So the good question you have is how to we move the sketch motions to arrange?
Well Sketch page is intended as a performance tool but itās also called āSketchā so makes sense. ATM as you suggest you need to create the right Motion track and move back and forth. Of course you could just leave it on sketch and automate the Lanes by exposing automation parameters in your DAW (binding different lanes, NO Daw Sync). Much like how S2 operates.
