Im having the same issue
Point 2 is not an issue as you can change the motion in the section left to the mixer. It is the first control in it. Of course, then preview works. 
I also would have liked it better if it was possible to click on the pattern and change it there.
The expectation that a preview with your VSTs should work though there is no track created yet is questionable.
I do not want to address the other points, though I am not sure if a complete 3-minute arrangement is something I wouldn’t rather do inside my DAW. As this is something my DAW was made for.
P.S. If you want to copy chords just press ALT while dragging them.
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Actually not so “lucky”, because S2 has still problems (just 3 major in my case) that will never be fixed because its support is ended with the S3 launch
So, I will use S3 in the future perhaps, but only if S2 mandatory (to me) options will be put in S3, and if S3 bugs will be all fixed, included the many incoherent and not standard GUI items/features/routines etc.
Otherwise, I’ll keep my current new workflow, and I’ll forget Scaler forever
UX Designer here… Scalability that is not proportionally constraint is an absolute horror to design, because you can’t make sure everything stays in the right place and keeps accessibility. So I don’t see a need for that, only if you are on the web with multiple devices, but in this case you would rather reflow the layout, not the proportions of the individual UI elements.
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I agree, it would be really tough if not impossible, especially given that they’re supporting multiple platforms and all that.
I see that they seem to be reflowing on windows plugin, but sometimes resizing caused the text to disappear in the chord buttons. I have confidence they’ll get it all patched up.
How can I convert an entire chord set to 7th inverted, 6th, or any other inversion at once? Scaler 3 really seems to have missed adding some features.Perhaps one of the best features could have been offering suggestions to convert the entire chord set into different variations within the same scale and harmony.
I totally agree. I’m having a rough time with the new interface, especially regarding things that have been moved
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@Rob-Rob,
Thanks for the input! As I’ve said, I’m clueless when it comes to UX Design. So how does Toontrack do it so well with EZ Drummer, EZ Bass, etc.? Also, Musio has a great vertically scalable GUI as well. Both of their GUI’s are beautiful - and I can scale them vertically to see so much more content and avoid needless scrolling. Did not realize it was so difficult to implement.
Davide, Am I missing something?
As a guitarist, my main use of Scaler is to explore alternate tunings and visualise the intervals between scale notes.
So far in Scaler 3, I cannot find the selection box to change from notes to intervals, scale degrees.
I also cannot see the box which shows what chord is being played when I play my guiitar through a MIDI pickup.
The main complaints I saw from guitarists was that the fretboard was too small and it didn’t go past 15 frets and that there was no colour differenciation between the scale degrees.
So far it seems that Scaler 3 has failed on all of those requests and has even removed the features I mainly use.
I sincerely hope I have just missed something and these features from Scaler 2 are still there somewhere?
Thanks.
The 3.0.1 update reimplemented the chord detection display. Everything else I agree with more or less.
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Welcome to the forum @Plantsoma You can get to the chord charts and alternative tunings using the icons highlighted below.
Intervals will be introduced in 3.1. Hope that helps.
The Colors page does exactly this. It’s so much easier than Scaler 2, and you have a v9 icon to do this too. Please see this post.
Dear GuitboxGeek,
I read your comments seriously and realized how you got to this point of feeling kind of dissapointed. You see, they waited to long to introduce scaler 3, we got so used to the old GUI of scaler 2 
The first version and the ones after that were all written with JUICE. A kind of pre-set of software tools and programs to write music software. JUICE is free on the internet available.
Serum is also written in JUICE. Don’t know if you are familiar with Serum, the vst from Xfer? JUICE is great, but…it has some pre-set things for the GUI, ie, forcing you to write things a certain way.
If you look at Serum and Scaler 2, you will see the commonality in the GUI’s.
With scaler 3, I see such an awesomely great improved workflow! Everything is not, “there, but kind of hidden” anymore. Everything is very logical and quickly accessesable.
Like I said, we got used to the old scaler 2 GUI with all the goodies hidden and stuff a bit unclear 
Please have a look at this link, I find this fellow to explain scaler 3 very well:
Them now trying to turn scaler into a DAW is not needed. Because we all use our established DAW’s anyway. What I recommend they do is to clarify a lot of the other stuff that is still not clear in both the GUI and the documentation.
For example, I asked many times what, “secondary scale” means. None of the explanations kindly provided makes it clear? Secondary scale, is not a term used in music as it is shown in scaler 2? Also, the chords that pop up, how am I supposed to use this? So, this is something that is in need of desperate good explanations.
But the present GUI…awesome job scaler team!!! I love it, it is so clear now and dynamic.
Very respectfully,
future
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I think this is my favourite part of it – syncing Scalers was hard in 2 and I definitely don’t want to go back to that approach. Unfortunately it’s coincided with me going from Logic to Ableton – Scaler 3 works much better in Logic as things stand because of the MIDI routing limitations in Ableton. If we could have a MIDI port as well as the channel so that we could send to the IAC Driver Bus 1 on Mac (or a loopMIDI port in Windows), I think that would make Scaler 3 damn near perfect in Ableton for me – as a place to explore compositional ideas in a properly-mixed environment.
In the meantime I’m kind of just doing it in Logic, then saving the Scaler session, porting it to Ableton – because the known workarounds with Element and other message-passing devices are fairly inconvenient.
But the new UI is lovely, large, clear, and feels somehow more stable. The new “suggest” workflow is all but perfection.
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I really think the killer is when they ventured into DAW territory. The 3 explore is genius and awesome but that arrange section is a mess. Would like to know why the beta testers didn’t see this happening.
Hey, thank you for taking the time to reply and provide such good info!
I have recently upgraded to 3.01 and have played with it again a little. Unfortunately, my work is horrendous at the moment so I’ve not had much free time yet - but I hope to change that later this week - so I’ll try to come back and let everyone know how it goes for me and Scaler 3.01.
I really don’t understand this view point. Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but Scaler 3 is most definitely a successor to Scaler 2. It has opened up entirely new possibilities and as a sound designer and music tutor, it is fantastic for teaching tonality and the relationship between notes, chords and keys. As others have said, if you prefer Scaler 2, it’s not been taken away. I sometimes even revert to Scaler 1 for some workflows (though very rarely). But for those who were expecting a slightly upgraded version of Scaler 2, I just don’t understand. To me, this is akin to companies like EA pumping out the same FIFA game every year. That would be a tragic direction of Scaler Music to go. Just use whatever version of Scaler works best for you
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We did, and the majority of us thought it was a welcome addition as far as I know. For example, we requested the VST plugin scan be optional (The Scaler team listen and made it so). With regards to the arranger view itself, it was tested, bugs were reported, it kept getting better. We’re beta testers, it’s not like we have the power to veto a feature, especially one with lots of promise. It’s not mandatory to use Scaler 3 in anyway like a DAW. You can just skip plugin scanning and use whatever method you used to route the sound to your VST instrument before. For me (Bitwig) all I have to do is drop an instrument behind Scaler or route it to as many additional channels as I need. I don’t want to discourage Scaler from experimenting with new features if they don’t affect my workflow, I’m sure a lot of the other beta testers feel the same.
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I agree. I have used Scaler 2 for a long time now and expected Scaler 3 to be an evolution, but I’m finding it a revolution. Even simple things like choosing the sound to play or the scale are not where I expected. In S2 you could immediately see what chord you were playing at the top - where is it in S3? For me S3 is not intuitive. I’m sure it has some amazing tools and I will persevere with tutorials but feel this is too radical a change for me.
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“In S2 you could immediately see what chord you were playing at the top - where is it in S3?”
Ya, not present in S3, but It is present in the current beta, right on the top to the right. So you will see it soon.
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