That’s already there in 3.0.1
FWIW As a long time Scaler user this update is a dumpster fire… completely lost sight of what it’s purpose is…
I’m guessing the devs want this to be an iPhone GarageBand killer…
No this is like FIFA releasing FIFA 2026 in which soccer is now the mini game and the main focus of the whole game is the Kit Designer… oh and the UI is designed for mobile…
Yes, look for example to Toontrack drummer
They have split the evolution in 2 different stuff, not stopped v2 in favour of v3:
EZdrummer 2 for those requiring easiness
AND
EZdrummer 3 (Superior drummer) for those requiring more customization, more features, etc.
The same may apply to other plugins, just to remain in the musical field
I don’t know why S3 devs decided to mix 2 things that have different user-bases and are hard to mix, but they did it, so the S2 lovers are in a dead-end track
Sure, we can use S2 forever, but the issues it has (in my case mostly low-contrast fonts and the poor keys-lock feature) will be no more fixed because the development is stopped: not a big deal
I only hope that a stable S3 release will jump out a day or another, likely in autumn, because the solo helper has a great potential, but the crashes I had are unbearable for a hobbyist
Now, before somebody reply that I hate changes: this is not true, and I actually did a revolution in the way I make music
It is rather a question of mindset, and I try to explain, but it’s hard in English (I am not)
using S3 for me is like entering a labyrinth:
you know that the useful stuff is somewhere, but there are no clues about the path to follow to find them
and like a labyrinth, if you follow the wrong path you are stuck in a cage and the only solution is coming back, if you didn’t forget to leave breadcrumbs behind you 
Sorry to hear your frustrations but…You can have your opinion, but we should all show respect to developers and the majority of users who are ok with look and feel of Scaler 3. Maybe not everything is perfect, but the team is doing a great job in fixing issues of any kind because they listen what the users have to say. So please be respectful and don’t use ridiculous comparisons concerning their work. Scaler 3 is already a great product and will be even better soon.
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I only installed Scaler v3 today and haven’t made up my mind yet.
But when I heard for the first time S3 is going to host plugins, what I instantly thought was “that’s a mistake”.
As nice it is to have, I really like it (for the standalone, not sure if it has any value in a DAW environment, tbh), the problems it introduces might not be worth it. Just because JUCE makes hosting seemingly easy doesn’t mean there will be issues with it allover the place.
A kiloHearts developer once stated (analogous):
“Being hosted as a plugin can already be quite a nightmare, having to host is apocalypse.”
After a short test drive with the S3 standalone I’ve already had a ton of crashes and buggy behavior when using instrument/fx plugins. And I don’t have any iLok plugins or so, which are infamously bad behaving in that regard.
The point is:
I’m afraid the Scaler devs will have to spend an enormous amount of time only to get the hosting going. And to me it’s inevitable they will have to deal with that stuff all the time and will have to provide support in that regard all the time.
Time they will be missing to actually work on improving Scaler itself.
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I am very happy with the direction of Scaler 3. For my uses, it is a big advance from Scaler 2. I don’t expect to use plugins in Scaler 3 because I am just routing S3 tracks out to instrument tracks in Bitwig. Besides that, all the other new stuff is great for me.
Unfortunately, S3 crashes a lot in Bitwig. But I am confident it will become stable fairly quickly.
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Bloated, slow, confusing UI layout, way to much focus on making Scaler a DAW replacement, lot’s of bugs and usability issues…
Regretting paying for the upgrade if I’m completely honest…
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I feel the same! Im sure it’ll get alot better after more updates. Definitely rushed the release. But I know eventually it will be sick!
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I ran the trial for a couple of weeks and I’ve opted not to upgrade to S3 for now. Looking beyond the bugs, in the cold harsh light of day S3 doesn’t really give me much more than S2 and in a couple of places it makes things harder to achieve compared with S2. It will improve and I’ll probably end up buying it (one day, at a much reduced price…) but most of the new bullet points are not very relevant to me. I think hosting VSTs is a very brave move but that it will consume huge amounts of dev time to make that work well and to keep it working as new VSTs are released. I may upgrade the iPad version when S3 becomes available, assuming there is a sensibly-priced upgrade path from S2 iPad.
So after the initial excitement I’m a bit on the fence about it. It’s a good job we’re not all like me or Davide would just give up!
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I don’t think he would give up . He really believes in this project and he’s been working for a long time on it.
I know that the UI is completely different than before and I often say that Scaler 3 is a revolution, not an evolution of Scaler 2. I have been using Scaler since the version 1.5 or so, for many years.
My idea was to play some melody and Scaler would propose me the chords or, at least, the scale to use as accompaniment. So, that’s what I got. Scaler 3 does the same, in spite of the differences. I started using it a several months ago as an alpha and beta tester and I saw (and heard, of course 
) the changes it undergone.
In a few weeks, when everything becomes stable, we shall forget the things we disliked and simply enjoy using Scaler 3 as we did with its predecessors.
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I find there are two hype camps. The swept up in the ‘game changer/ revolution/ best music software ever’ and those swept up in the ‘arrggh it doesn’t do what I want, I don’t want to relearn anything, Scaler 2 was much better, I hate you!’
Totally expected but the reality is somewhere in between. It takes time to adjust but it’s worth it. And those that do and show some patience and love get rewarded by Scaler 3.
Also I’ve said it a million times but It’s not a DAW replacement the arrange page is there to mitigate the multi instance of Scaler 2 which was time consuming and took many of us out of our creative rut. Now our users expect it to have the editing functionality of a DAW - so we will do!
‘I feel the release was rushed’ would be less of a sweeping statement. This one is annoying given it was four years and most minutes of every day of our lives in the making. Is it perfect? of course not but there’s an element of get it out to users and see how they use it. In a way I wish we had of done that earlier as we have learnt so much. And you are correct it will be sicker with our next few updates!
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Okay, mea culpa - my posts have been a little hyperbolic so I’ll try to moderate my feedback and keep it constructive.
My main frustration is that the direction of travel seems to be going in the opposite direction to my personal workflow.. which is entirely selfish but still dissapointing.
Maybe the forums have been screaming for arrangement views and VST hosting - luckily my DAW has both already and I can’t see the value in this (and I expect it takes a lot of dev cycles away from features that would have been useful to me) - I had the same criticism of “let’s recreate a DAW in our plugin” with Serum 2 (except they provided the update for free).
I hope the users who wanted these features are enjoying them. I’ll try to relearn the UI but am already frustrated that a lot of my common actions that were one click in S2 are now buried (MIDI Detect, No Instrument option)
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If you don’t release you will never finish it … Everybody does that in software development. Scaler did the same. Although their only “mistake” was that they may have done it maybe more “silently”. I don’t know I am not a marketeer but they gave a lot of expectations that they have child deceases but eventually they will fix them. As you may see I think they don’t sleep any more… So let’s be patient. And keep in mind… They are musicians above all… Not marketeers 
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I have spent quite a bit of time with this new version and I find it is more useful than I thought it would turn out to be.
For example, I have a large number of VST instruments and I can connect those so fast now and experiment with them and arrive at new sounds and ideas very quickly that I could not before. Take any VST and add it into Scaler 3 and this becomes clear right away I think. Especially with layered instruments. In my case I do use FL Studio and Cubase, and I am finding that Scaler 3 is helping to expand what those software could do (or offer) that I never seemed to achieve. Especially the modulators in them.
Scaler 3 includes a lot of presets for patterns and arrangements, but I also have other tools that I can now use with Scaler 3 for patterns and arrangements I could not understand how to use before.
Change is always new and takes time to adapt. But I think Scaler 3 is a more useful software. One thing I cannot find and wish I could change rapidly is the ability to change themes. The dark colors in the new setup tend to blend into the DAW I use.
Overall I give Scaler a 8.5/10.
Well done folks.
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If you visit the support page, you will see that for those folks using Scaler 3 in a DAW, there are many issues. Part of the problem is that a high percentage of the people upgrading for use of Scaler in their DAW and not a standalone. I went with .04 version and somethings were fixed, but there are still many issues and error messages. Draging Midi and seeing that the transfer of chords ends up in different chords. Starting your DAW and getting an “error” by Scaler 50% of the time. Thier testing was either very narrow or faulty. I will wait for the April update to see what is fixed and what still doesn’t work in a DAW environment before I pass judgement. I think the concept if/when it works without the current issues can have value to us DAW users. However, the youtube series was so focused on internal use that they forgot to evaluate how most people used it. For $30 upgrade, no big deal but the harm to the evaluation/use of the product as seen on the support page needs to be corrected and corrected soon or a large part of the user base is going to be “unhappy” about the real value of the product.
TBH I stopped using scaler 3 and revert back with scaler 2 workflow for now because I am not sure when it will kill the Ableton project. Although I believe and trust that the devs will resolve the major showstopper issues by the next update.
Although I am a bit sad because I believe the concept of scaler 3 is perfect and my main frustration is not by the bugs per se but because the current “quality” of this concept is a bit far from my expectations… I mean when i was watching David videos I was extremely excited and then after I installed it … BOOM💥
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100% this.
It’s a bold move to switch direction with a product like this - whilst Scaler has probably lost me as a future ‘upgrader’ and user it may have gained 100 new users who love being able to arrange in the plugin and not the DAW.
To be fair, I think it also has utility for those using Ableton who can’t route midi and therefore have had to deal with multiple synced tracks in Scaler 2.
I personally much prefer the workflow in Scaler 3 where I can sketch out harmonic and melodic lines, and then drag and drop into Ableton to take further.
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I’m not looking to arrange in Scaler vs in the DAW. It’s not black and white like that.
What I like with V3 of Scaler is that I can quickly explore Arrangement ideas in ways that were not possible in Scaler 2. What it means for me is less back and forth than before.
I usually need some context to judge whether a chord progression is working for me. The V3 Arrange option allows me to explore that context in new ways right in Scaler. It currently has some rough edges, but the basic idea is going to work great for me.
Do what you want, but I think Scaler 3 will end up being more flexible and capable than Scaler 2 for Scaler 2 tasks. Nobody is forced to use Arrange.
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