Can Scaler 3 Drive EZ Keys Grooves?!

This comes up a lot, and I spent much of yesterday in trial and error to isolate the issues. I’m getting close, and I think I can boil down the problem. This pertains to both EZ Keys and EZ Bass:

Here’s what I’m trying to do, on both EZ Keys and EZ Bass: I want to use Scaler 3 to “drive” these instruments in my DAW (Studio One Seven). That is, I want to create chord progressions in Scaler, choose grooves in EZK and EZB, and have Scaler’s chords recognized by these instruments.

The key part is, I want to use Scaler’s ability to substitute chords on the fly, so if I change a Scaler chord from an Fm6 to an F6, EZK and EZB will recognize this. That means, for workflow reasons, I want to avoid EZK’s / EZB’s chord track - I want Scaler to drive these changes.

This works with other plugins. For example, if I’ve got a DAW track with an NI Session Guitar plugin, I can set that track’s input as Scaler, the track output as the guitar, and any strum pattern I choose in the guitar plugin will automatically reflect changes I make in Scaler.

The same is true with bass instruments. If I have an NI Session Upright Bass on a DAW track and I set that track’s input as Scaler, it will play a bass line matching Scaler’s chord progression, using whatever bass groove I’ve selected in the bass plugin. I do not have to separately input the chords into that plugin.

But this isn’t working with EZK or EZB. For example, if I take an EZK track in my DAW, leave its groove screen blank - no chords and no grooves - and set Scaler as my input to that track, it’ll play Scaler’s block chords perfectly, and reflect any changes I make in Scaler. But if I then select an EZK groove and drop it into EZK’s groove slot, it will play that groove with its embedded chords - it doesn’t follow Scaler’s input.

Hence my question: Is there a way to detach EZK or EZB grooves from their embedded chords, so I can get their grooves to follow Scaler’s inputs, the way I can with NI Kontakt instruments?

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P.S. I know there are other workarounds, but they all require extra workflow moves. For example, I can drop a Scaler progression into Studio One’s chord track; drop an EZ Keys or EZ Bass groove onto an instrument track in the DAW, and set those tracks to follow the chord track. But doing so, I lose the magic Scaler ability to sub chords on the fly - any changes I might discover in Scaler I’ll have to hand-draw into Studio One’s chord track.

An easy way is to drag chords progression from Scaler into EZkeys and then choose grooves. You can drag new chord if you want from Scaler or change groovs in EZkeys!

Yes, thank you, but that’s exactly what I’m trying to avoid. I want chord changes in Scaler to be recognized by the plugins without having to make the multiple extra moves.

I can do this with other plugins, but not Toontrack’s. I’m wondering if there’s a way.

It is more easy then your way, from EZkeys to DAW to Scaler!

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I think you need to be at peace with the extra moves
It will lessen your stress and anxiety

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Ha! You’re right! Except I’m not stressed, just curious about plugin design.

This is a great point that you make. I hope they add this capacity in the future. I would use it too.