1.When I drag and drop, the chords always turn into augmented chords instead of being placed inside the box. It’s very unpleasant. Scaler 2 handled this very well, but Scaler 3 doesn’t.
2.Scaler 3 cannot easily input chords. For example, when I input common chords like G/F or G/B, it doesn’t work, and I have to search for them. In this regard, it’s not as good as Ezkey2. With Ezkey2, whatever chord you input is exactly the chord you get, which is very convenient, and the chord voicings are very reasonable.
3.I don’t see any difference between open voicings and guitar voicings. When I enter G/B and choose Voicing, B is no longer the lowest note. This issue exists in Scaler 2 and hasn’t changed to this day.
Can you give an example of what you are dragging and dropping? Hard to understand what you are doing there?
Do you have ‘Show Bass Inversions’ turned on Preferences? Maybe that’s why you are not seeing a X/X (bass inversion).
Voicing Profiles are intended to re-voice the chord. We are replacing Open 1 and Open 2 with more traditional Open Voicing profiles which should help differentiate it further from the Guitar Vociings
1. I originally wanted to make a tutorial video. But I didn’t. Because the difference is very obvious. With Scaler 2, you can accurately place or overwrite chords when dragging them. But with Scaler 3, when placing or overwriting chords, a vertical line often appears, and when this line appears, it adds a chord in the wrong position. It’s very uncomfortable. I have to operate in the top-right area to be accurate. Scaler 3.0 has more features, but its tactile operation is not as good as Scaler 2. I won’t make a video; this issue is obvious.
2. I enabled ‘Show Bass Inversions’ in the preferences. However, after voicing the chords, my BASS no longer inverts. This issue exists in Scaler2 and still hasn’t been resolved.
3.But open voicing and guitar voicing are the same. No matter which one I choose, it’s the same. Since they’re the same, why are there two?
For a C chord, when I choose open voicing,
it is C G C E.
For a C chord, when I choose guitar voicing,
it’s still C G C E. Since they’re the same, why distinguish between open voicing and guitar voicing? Or am I misunderstanding something?
Hey @swingmix
Im not sure I understand your point on 1? It’s very nice to replace or add the chords. I really like the mechanism in Scaler 3. Not sure I have heard anyone else have any issue with it. See below.
As for 2, as I mentioned. The Voicing Profiles are set. Please don’t use them if you want to use your own voicing.
3. Yes as I mentioned in my previous posts we are changing the Open Voicing profiles in next update. Look out for them!
If you are using Cubase returning to start after hitting stop or after hitting play in the transport console is not the usual behavior. For that you would have to make a macro that does that when hitting stop/start. Cubase make things harder sometimes .
Yes. Replacing and adding chords is very convenient. But there’s still a tactile issue with the software operation. When I drag and drop chords in Scaler 2, it feels very solid and doesn’t make mistakes. However, when I drag and drop chords in Scaler 3, it often replaces them instead of adding, and vertical lines can appear.
I’m really happy to see that the Voicing section will be updated. Is it possible to keep our own chosen root note while selecting Voicing?
so many times I will have a progression in the main track in the arranger page. I will click to make a change and the whole progression will disappear!
I think this from the original post nails the issue. Intricate, powerful and relatively complex software requires the MOST delicate, creative and deliberately intuitive software to be successful and loved. The interaction between man/woman and machine is an art - I know because I have designed many systems (some more complicated than S3) and probably the greatest effort for success is to get that interaction as close to spot on as possible. (As usual cost and time are often key factors that work against this desire). For what it’s worth if I was in a room for 4/5 days with the Scaler team we could redesign the frontend and make it a winner!
One persons trash is another persons treasure. We must note that Scaler 3 is a huge success and is building on our decade of work. It has won every possible award since release. Every review we have had has praised the UI, from Sound on Sound to Music Tech to Attack Magazine. Every major YouTuber (Sanjay C ‘I give it 10/10 for the UI alone’) praises the UI.
I chose what I consider to be the world leaders in this specific field to design the UI for us.
I get that some people don’t think the UI is great and that’s cool - but assuming we didn’t use an UI team for this specific and complex project is naive.
Ok, I appreciate the response. I’m not happy with the word ‘trash’ - in fact I implied (more than implied actually) that the application is ‘Intricate, powerful and relatively complex software’. That said, over the years, I also noted that those that build the software - their ‘baby’, often come to a strong defense whenever criticism is discussed, Rather than statements like ‘One persons trash is another persons treasure’ and ‘I get that some people don’t think the UI is great and that’s cool’ which don’t really help - why collect the views since the release of 3 and maybe have a think about the possibility of improvements? That would be a win win wouldn’t it?
Sadly not they are completely different pieces of software but moving forward, now that we have our new platform, it makes sense to integrate backward compatibility from here on in. Of course you can always move your own chord sets over and S2 does continue to function.
Yes Davide and thank you. Loved Scaler from the beginning. I own both 2 and 3. I sort of look at scaler 2.9 as sort of a lite version now. Looking forward to more backward integration.
I bought Scaler 3, hoping for just this, but with all the good things about Scaler 3 imo the audio detection is almost as hit-and-miss as before. Anyway, I realize it’s not Scaler’s core MO, and I’ve already started looking for a more solid audio detection app.
Scaler 3 is one of the only pieces of software that detects live! That’s the hard part. And we detect everything including extensions. If we were detecting offline and looking for standard chords it’s easy. The king here is Melodyne! No doubt there are areas of improvements and I have been saying it for a while that this is something we are going to look at deeply over the coming year. We have some great conversations happening in this field with industry leaders so I am keen for us to do something special!
I’m excited to hear that about the chord detection because I love that functionality and for a guitar player pretending to know the keyboard, it can be tremendous help sometimes!
Thanks Davide, funnily I do wish you guys had opted for the easy part :)) .Binding detection with Scaler’s theory would have be golden imo, and glad this is something up for review.
You’re right there are options, my personal faves are so deeply ‘disruptive’. The Chord AI the Android app is fantastic, but a workflow dealbreaker being Android only, and Samplab VST is a very strong candidate, but renting software is not really my shtick.
Melodyne has an ARA integration that might be useful to Scaler users if support was integrated. I use Melodyne Studio in Studio Pro when I want good chord detection. I think the Melodyne Editor version (mid-tier version) enables chord detection for things like guitar and piano. I tried Scaler’s detection feature, but it didn’t exactly generate the chords i was looking for in Scaler. Of course, that would rely on 3rd-party software though and I think Scaler’s intent was to have their own detection tech. But, it would be a good option to have in Scaler. Also, keep up the good work guys. Still loving Scaler.
I was thinking about a kind of ARA integration in Scaler, but I have no idea if this would be possible. The accurate chord detection from melody was, and still is, my goal when I started using Scaler years ago, and this can still be improved.
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