I just saw the next update video, with the news and the pricing.
Will the actual pricing be revealed on PB at some point? Because currently, the pricing is as shown in this screenshot. And that is not the just announced 29 USD. Unless this is an oversight.
Also… will we PB users that have to upgrade via PB still be able to “move over” to ScalerMusic? No mention of that in the last video. Only in this thread.
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Technical question for you folks:
Was Scaler 2 dependent on certain GPU routines from a certain OS version? Or was there a minimum GPU requirement? Scaler 1 is lighting fast on old OS versions (think Win7, Win8), Scaler 2 on the other hand is excruciatingly slow usability wise (Win7 especially). The UI is also not smooth in terms of animation on a 10th gen i9 on Win11 with a GTX1080FE (no changes to the visual settings). Yet the CPU load is below 10% (my old 1st gen i7 rig) and 2% (my 10th gen i9), and there doesn’t seem to be any RAM bleeding (RAM usage is pretty much capped at 280MB). Hence my question. Also as sanity check.
I currently shrug this off due to the “attached code” that was originally never planned for Scaler 2. I really hope this is not an issue on Scaler 3 though.
I don’t know your specific case, but using and testing many different DAWs in the past, I realized that the problem was almost never Scaler, but the plugins (notably sample-based ones) that waste a lot of RAM and/or CPU
Sorry, can’t confirm this one. Especially since I ran Scaler solo. Either wrapped in NanoHost, Cubase (10 or 14) without anything running in parallel, or MuTools Mulab with a direct connection to the output. The culprit is Scaler 2 itself.
I found out that Scaler 2 definitely needs the AERO environment on Windows 7+ (Aero/Metro Hybrid on Win10+). I have two profiles on my i7 (1st gen) rig - one where AERO is turned off, and one where it’s active (because Steinberg DAWs insist on AERO). In the “non-AERO” mode, Scaler 2 legit runs in about 5fps on all sub-windows. On the other profile (studio profile), most of the UI is usable - albeit a bit slow (think about 10fps-ish, and switching between windows takes about 2-3s). Unless I use the EDIT window, then everything comes to an absolute crawl and clicking on just one thing there results in 10s loading times each time (feels like 3-5fps!). The Settings Panel is also really slow, no matter the active window.
On my i9 (10th gen) with Win11, I still have have choppy behavior of the UI… most notably the Settings Panel and once more the EDIT window. This is also apparent in the Scaler 2 Course videos – and those were made on macOS. But the general usage is definitely more enjoyable and feels like running at around 20fps at least.
Before you ask: I tried VST2 and VST3, there is no difference. Both CPU’s are massively overclocked (by 700-900MHz!), there is enough RAM headroom on both rigs, GPUs are “over-spec’d” for what I actually use them for (GTX760 in the i7 rig, GTX1080 in the i9). Scaler v2 doesn’t exceed 285 MB RAM, even after using it for 30+ minutes. The CPU usage is going a bit nuts on the EDIT window though (and only there!).
It’s legit frustrating. And I hope this is not the case for v3. Hence me asking if there are/were “special routines” needed - CPU, GPU, OS Graphics engine, etc.
A 1st gen i7 (to be precise: Core i7 920 OC’d to 3,6GHz, granted: with Win7 Pro/Ult fully patched) and a 10th gen i9 (to be precise: Core i9 10850 OC’d to 5,0GHz, with Win11 23H2 fully patched). The issues are mostly on the i7 to the point of frustration (AERO on, switching between windows takes 3-ish seconds, switching to “EDIT” results in slowdowns of several seconds). The i9 isn’t all roses either.
Which, again, is why I asked if there are specific routines needed.
Launch pricing is now available $29/€29/£29 at PIB for Scaler 2 users whom purchased from Plugin Boutique and want to upgrade to Scaler 3 at that price. MSRP for this upgrade will be $39/€39/£39
Thanks @davide — now that is not confusing at all, since I assumed the upgrade will remain “regular” 29 USD/EUR/GBP. At least this is how I understood the last video – in fact, the newsletter is also kind of worded like that.
Although I did understand that Scaler 3 will be 79 USD/EUR/GBP as “introduction price”. But I didn’t get that impression for the upgrade pricing.
So… when will the Intro pricing for both end?
And once more… the promise to “get PB users an account at ScalerMusic” also still holds true?
BTW, I started making music with a Dell Optiflex 3010 SFF I3-3220 with Windows 7…
And I started with Scaler 2, and never had GUI lags even with that weak IT system
We’re past the point of speculation now, and I’m not about the “it worked for me, something must be wrong on your end” type of game.
Additionally - the i3-3220 was a 3rd gen Intel, which has one essential CPU routine that the 1st gen Intel chipsets didn’t have: AXV (Advanced Vector Extensions). Once more - not comparable. However, if some functions or UI animation are bound to AXV, yet has a fall-back layer so that the plugin still run son CPU ABC… this could explain the excruciating behavior on my i7 rig. In fact, this might also explain why every mouse click in EDIT mode (even with the preview mode turned off) results in several seconds of processing.
But again… speculation doesn’t get us anywhere… here is where the devs should step in.
+1 on the issue of being able to move over to scalermusic.com. haven’t been that happy with plugin boutique lately, i’d really like to have as many of my licenses on the developer’s sites as possible.
Well. Right now we can upgrade to Scaler 3 from version 2. But at Plugin Boutique the cost is around 30.5 USD. I know that 1.5 USD is not the big deal, but why? If in the official announce it’s 29 USD?
For me it’s not 29 USD. It’s 30.5… Any chance to move from Plugin Boutique to Scaler Music and upgrade for the price which was announced? I think it’s more correct for the customers…
Since Ableton Live and Bitwig don’t have chord tracks, midi import that latches to chord tracks is the feature I most want and would be enough for me to upgrade.
But I’d assume there’s no way to integrate MPE into Scaler 3? I’d love to be able to use it to quickly change chord progressions in Live 12 for prerecorded MPE midi without losing the MPE data.
I’ve own scaler scene Ver. 1.
Is there anyway I can get
Ver.3 so that i can start working
with it as my new work flow.
I would like to start working with
it right away. I using studio one 7+
I would like to pick up from a previous post of mine that is yet to be fully answered.
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Now that we know when Scaler 3 will arrive, and what features it will have (not going to lie, I’m not a fan of the “half sub-DAW” feature with loading audio plugins into the engine), we still don’t know if a License Manager (the Beatport Access License Manager debacle) is needed.
This is a make-or-break scenario for me!
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Additional to that - something that actually really irks me with the pre-sales:
The promo videos and promo pages all only mention an upgrade price of 29 USD / EUR / GBP. So far only here on the forum and on PB has there be a mention that the MSRP of the upgrade to v3 is actually 39 USD / EUR / GBP.
PB furthermore lists Scaler 3 with a “List Price” of 59 USD / EUR / GBP. Truth be told, I actually fully expected a MSRP increase for Scaler 3 to go up-to 79 USD / EUR / GBP. However, looking at these prices with a magnifying glass, a 40 EUR (MSRP) upgrade is a rough 33,80% difference (with the 29 USD / EUR / GBP sale it is 50%). And while I remember the commentary on post #67 regarding the “eye gouging in the software industry” (as in: the endless sales to generate a user base, which can be really tiresome indeed), one has to admit, this feels a bit off if basically 95% of the companies out there ask for equal/less than 50% in terms of upgrade fees to the next major version. Including big DAW companies. Sales not counting.
Which brings me to the other thing that keeps gnawing on me - the lack of information when the Introduction Pricing will end. Why the secrecy? Why the “pre-order” FOMO push?
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I can overlook that my (edge case?) technical issues/questions have been ignored so far.
But I would really like to get these pre-sale questions sorted out before I spend any dime prior to 25th March. Other media realms made me very careful regarding the topic “pre-order” (which this is!).
