Scaler 3 Official Announcement and Teaser

Not yet. See the faq.

I agree Scaler is very impressive, but I wouldn’t like the Scaler team to waste energy and time and money on trying to become a whole new DAW… they’d spend years trying to get close to the sophistication and depth of many of the existing DAWs, and why? Scaler is amazing as a tool to help you generate melodies and harmonies in any of the excellent DAWs… I’d rather see money time effort spent making a great add-on even better.
Mark.

Maybe they just want to become a new Cantabile instead?
I see space for this idea, i.e. a tool for gigs

Well here’s why I think not…
What scaler is best at is helping you create new ideas. A musician playing live who is not great would not be trying out new ideas for fear of making a complete mess… but a musician playing LIVE who is really good at their instrument would not need something like Scaler to be trying other scales and Pre made note progressions etc… I think scaler fits perfectly as a tool for music creation where you have time to fiddle, and there is no risk and nothing lost by being adventurous and trying things out. My 5c… :blush:

A valid point and one that many of our users would share but we are not trying to become a DAW - Scaler would never replace the DAW for me.
I’ve always wanted Scaler to be a complete harmonic writing tool that you can do lots in. We are adding lots of great features which we will reveal soon - those features should suggest we haven’t forgotten our raison d’être. Besides, now we have a new home, we can build on it and add some more tools for our advanced theorists!

Economically it wouldn’t be the wisest decision for the scaler team to turn its product into a DAW. Scaler’s customer base is much bigger if Scaler is a plugin, a tool people use to make better music in their existing DAWs.

Here’s the next Scaler 3 pre-release reveal. A bit of a well kept surprise!

This gets better and better, well done all the team. :flushed:

Well yes, it was a surprise. Being able to load vsti instruments within Scaler is the second step for Scaler to become independent of another sequencer for musical composition!

I would like to know if video number 5 finally deals with the manipulation and editing of the Performances!!!.

The wait is getting very long, keep that in mind…

Thank you

Then… it will be possible to send the notes of the different vsti used to different ports or midi channels

:thinking:

Importing vst is pretty cool but at some point i would need to export it into my seperate tracks in my DAW. Also most hosts like this have a pretty basic way of importing the vst vs my own DAWs browser.

Davide, you mention loading of VST. Do you mean VST2 AND VST3?
I know Mac and Win are a little different, but I am very interested if Scaler 3 on Windows can load VST2. Thx.

Either next week or week after yes.

This seems to be a very common request and I have some questions.

Do we want each channel to have a Midi Out function where you choose the Midi Channel Out? Which DAW and what process (routing) do you mean specifically. Are you asking for an audio render of what is happening within Scaler? I’m curious.

I can’t see why not. @Tristan can answer this definitively.

I think each track within Scaler should have an assignable midi channel so you can hook each track into a different instrument in the DAW rather than loading VSTs in Scaler.

As for audio, I’m not sure if Scaler could facilitate this but I always bounce everything down to separate audio tracks in the DAW before I do the final mix. It also helps with my archival process where I require each track as audio only, so I can revisit projects in future without being tied to a particular DAW or VST.

It’s not a massive burden to manually solo each track within Scaler and bounce or record the output but I guess you could look into giving Scaler multiple audio outs so they could all be recorded at the same time. Kontakt is an example of how this could work, although their particular implementation is not very intuitive! Some of the drumming VST do it too (e.g. Superior Drummer). The best ones output a stereo mix then allow you to divert any or all channels to their own outputs.

The implementation as a VST host makes a lot of sense if you take into account, that some people want to use Scaler 3 stand-alone, and others want to use it within Ableton Live. Following your idea, Scaler 3 wouldn’t be compatible to Ableton Live anymore as AL does not know channels in its midi implementation.

I didn’t know Ableton has that limitation. Does that mean you couldn’t use Scaler 3 to drive more than one of Live’s internal synths? Or can you sync multiple instances of S3 like you can with S2?

Playing internal synths with S2 is something I do all the time, although I don’t use Live.

Ableton live only knows the device but does not differentiate between channels. It is a major flaw with this DAW. Usually, I use Cubase if I need competent midi routing.

This is exactly the discussion we are having internally. What to do prior to release?

  • Multi Midi Out (one track across numerous midi channels?)
  • Independent Midi Out (each track can be routed to a different midi channel) - Useless in Ableton, not great in Logic
  • Drag and Drop Audio Render

For now we have:

  • Export Audio - bounces what you hear, solo, a few channels the master etc
  • Drag and Drop individual S3 midi to Daw tracks
  • Duplicate Scaler and solo the channel so I do have the ability to use individual DAW tracks.

So flexibility is there for launch and then we can build according to what users want post release.

… and great in Reaper.

There might be a fourth way. Virtual midi cables. I use these in Audiomodern’s Ripper. This plugin let’s you send different outputs to different midi devices and channels. Midi devices like your midi controller. But in Windows there are software implementations of ā€œvirtual midi cablesā€ that act like midi devices for example loopmidi. This is kind of neat in all sorts of ways. In Ableton Live input devices like your midi controller or a virtual midi cable can have different midi channels and this is the only time Ableton Live recognizes midi channels. For Ripper this works really nice in Ableton Live. If you test this for yourself, set-up the cable only as an input in Ableton. Do not set it up as an output because then the plugin cannot use this anymore and nothing gets through.

As every DAW works with midi input devices this might solve all kind of compatibility issues.