# Using Scaler 2 with a choir Kontakt library **URL:** \ **Category:** Scaler 2 General Discussion\ **Created:** [August 1, 2023, 7:46am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/using-scaler-2-with-a-choir-kontakt-library/14235 "2023-08-01T07:46:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ambientdave1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9bd4f/32.png) [@ambientdave1](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/ambientdave1)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2023, 7:46am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/using-scaler-2-with-a-choir-kontakt-library/14235/1 "2023-08-01T07:46:26Z")
Hello I have some nice choir based Kontatk libraries and been using Audio Imperia Chorus,in particuar a Womens legato sction Now this may be a silly question,as a hobbyist putting this out there But Im attempting to write a piece,so does a choir library used chords,or scales As I understand a choir would only sing notes in real life I have tried a simple C major scale,with some chords,sounds awful I haven’t used Scaler 2 much,as I have work commitments.Wondering what I’m doing wrong Or just to use an appropriate scale,so the choir section sounds nice Appreciate the help,thank you ---
**Author:** ![davide](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/davide/32/824_2.png) [@davide](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/davide)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2023, 12:14am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/using-scaler-2-with-a-choir-kontakt-library/14235/2 "2023-08-02T00:14:30Z")
Hey Dave, when I think of the choirs I have recorded it’s usually a voice (note) with some harmonies. So it may well end up being a chordal recording but you wouldn’t have one section singing all three notes for example. Fifths, Fourths, Octaves would be more common. So you have to treat a Kontakt library like that. Some libraries included phrases where the notes are divided (divisi) to the correct sections. I don’t use Audio Imperia so can’t comment on that but try running some Scaler phrases and performances (either slow ones or half time) and use the grouping profiles in Scaler to restrict it to the Audio Imperia Key Range. That should give you some good results. ---
**Author:** ![RBIngraham](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/rbingraham/32/2645_2.png) [@RBIngraham](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/RBIngraham)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2023, 5:24am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/using-scaler-2-with-a-choir-kontakt-library/14235/3 "2023-08-07T05:24:15Z")
If I understand what you’re asking, with most choir libraries you’re going to need to take chords and assign each note in a chord to a different section of the choir. So take a very simple C major chord and just so you have 4 notes, add a 7th. So maybe the bass sings the C, tenors sing E and altos sing G and sopranos sing the B. As you transition from chord to chord you’ll want to break up the chords and possibly invert them so the jump in the notes for each section of a choir is manageable. At least if you want it to sound at all realistic anyway. This is just basic classic voice leading. Forgive me if I’m explaining something obvious to you but if you’re not familiar with that term, I would do a search for it. You’ll probably find a ton of info on the subject on YouTube. When I’ve tinkered around with vocal parts like this, I typically just sketch things out with scaler and piano sound or use some patch that allows for a wide range of vocals around the entire range of the keyboard. And then I drag those chords out into the DAW and split them up to each voice by hand. As Daivd points out there are some tools to handle this built into Scaler. But I think it’s just simpler and more likely to get what you want when you just create each part by hand so to speak after you’ve figured out what you want within Scaler. ---
**Author:** ![RBIngraham](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/rbingraham/32/2645_2.png) [@RBIngraham](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/RBIngraham)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2023, 5:27am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/using-scaler-2-with-a-choir-kontakt-library/14235/4 "2023-08-07T05:27:13Z")
I just checked, Audio Imperia’s Chorus does have ensemble patches as well as separated SATB patches. So you could use those for sketching as well. But I would still probably assign each note to each section by hand rather than using an ensemble patch. ---
**Author:** ![ambientdave1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9bd4f/32.png) [@ambientdave1](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/ambientdave1)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2023, 7:21am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/using-scaler-2-with-a-choir-kontakt-library/14235/5 "2023-08-12T07:21:36Z")
Hi Davide Thank you,sorry for the later reply,so busy with work I use Studio One 6 Pro,and although I’m not a musician, but a hobbyist.I have been experimenting with Studio One 6 multi instrument feature And have 3 instances of Kontakt 7,inside each is one of Audio Imperia Choir,sections like men and women slow syllables and another choral-esq library by Soundiron Requiem lite They combined as a layer,when when played through Scaler 2,in the key of say D,sound epic and really nice sounding No additional voicings or anything I have taken on board your advice and will do some further experiments Thanks again,advice much appreciated ---
**Author:** ![ambientdave1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b9bd4f/32.png) [@ambientdave1](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/ambientdave1)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2023, 7:24am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/using-scaler-2-with-a-choir-kontakt-library/14235/6 "2023-08-12T07:24:33Z")
Thank you for that,sorry for the late reply,as mentioned in my reply to Davides comments I have figured out a way,of creating an epic nice sound,as explained in my last post,but will experiment more,when I get time