# Scaler audio improvement **URL:** \ **Category:** Scaler 2 General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 24, 2023, 6:25am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/scaler-audio-improvement/13247 "2023-03-24T06:25:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Hulkko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/35a633/32.png) [@Hulkko](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/Hulkko)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2023, 6:25am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/scaler-audio-improvement/13247/1 "2023-03-24T06:25:39Z")
Scaler midi recognition works well. However, I would like improvements to the detection of the Audio side. Would it be possible for it to be improved in the near future? There would be a lot of use for it, at least for yourself. ---
**Author:** ![panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/71c47a/32.png) [@panda](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/panda)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2023, 3:47pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/scaler-audio-improvement/13247/2 "2023-03-24T15:47:12Z")
I’ve written about this before, so included some links. I think it helps to differentiate between Scaler’s architecture and the other products which (claim to) detect audio. A key issue is whether the improvements you are thinking are “in the context of scaler” or whether they imply a pretty radical change for how Scaler currently works. In fact, I replied to a similar post in December last > [@Detect is Good, but could it be better?](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/detect-is-good-but-could-it-be-better/12536/2): > > I recognise the snip, as I use deCoda all the time, and for some tasks it’s far more useful than Scaler. However, the reason for that is, IMHO, the applications are as different as chalk and cheese, and (again from my very personal perspective) i see little overlap between them. I can see where you are coming from (and they are valid points) but it’s hard to see how either would move towards the architecture of the other. {1} The first key significant difference is that deCoda is wholly focu… and again recently > [@Basic chord detection](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/basic-chord-detection/13193): > > When detecting chords in an audio file, it detects every single note. Is there a parameter that only detects the basic chords? Scaler follows the melody but I only need the basic chords. Has anyone experienced this also? Thanks My workflow with audio is {1} run it through deCoda {2} drop it into Scaler {3} I then set up the deCoda progression (mostly triads) in section C, and then examine the Scaler detected Chords (mostly very much better) and audition aurally to swap out the deCoda chords as relevant. This way, deCoda gives me timing, doesn’t miss out ‘repeated’ chords’ and does not confuse me with single notes. Scaler than gives me a much richer detection of the chords than the simply triads from deCoda. The basic issue is that Scaler does not detect timing, but looks for chords changes. deCoda is trying to fits chords to a detected timeline. Each does (IMHO) a reasonable job, and I have found the combination works very well for my genre of music. _I think folk here would be interested to learn of the sort of improvements you would like to see, as many use audio detection_. PS: I have a copy of Band in a Box (not my music at all) and only fire it up occasionally to use the chord detection. There are genres in which it is quite good I have found … jazzy, fusion type stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Hulkko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/35a633/32.png) [@Hulkko](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/Hulkko)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2023, 4:02pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/scaler-audio-improvement/13247/3 "2023-03-24T16:02:34Z")
Of course, improvement would be a matter of time, but not a necessity. A better recognition for audio would be to recognize more than just chords. That is, if there is a single note pattern in between, if you want, you could capture it like the midi scaler does. ---
**Author:** ![panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/71c47a/32.png) [@panda](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/panda)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2023, 4:28pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/scaler-audio-improvement/13247/4 "2023-03-24T16:28:38Z")
This is a good idea, and makes sense … this confuses deCoda. I guess (IMHO) the technology for single pitch detection is much more sophisticated than that for chords (to be expected). Apps like Melodyne have done that for a long time. It seems to me this would fit entirely with Scaler’s structure, and its time independent nature would sit with this. I have Midi Guitar II ([https://www.jamorigin.com/](https://www.jamorigin.com/) ) which demonstrates just how good this technology now is.