# Scaler and NI Session Guitarist **URL:** \ **Category:** Scaler 2 General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 9, 2025, 3:48am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/scaler-and-ni-session-guitarist/18588 "2025-01-09T03:48:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![swingmix](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/swingmix/32/3328_2.png) [@swingmix](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/swingmix)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2025, 3:48am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/scaler-and-ni-session-guitarist/18588/1 "2025-01-09T03:48:44Z")
I use Scaler to find the right chord, then input it to the NI Session Guitarist instrument track and let Session Guitarist generate strums or arpeggios. I do this often. It sounds great. It seems that Scaler can drive Session Guitarist. So, do I continue to let Session Guitarist drive other instruments? Or vice versa. This is my question today. I own several of these Session Guitarists. I like the variety of patterns available, but I’d like to be able to edit them in my DAW’s MIDI editor. Is there a way to export these patterns as MIDI that I can then edit? I input a set of chords into an instrument track in NI Session Guitarist, select an arpeggio, and play the exported MIDI. If so, I can then use this MIDI with another instrument. How can I do this? Are there any friends who are interested in discussing it? ---
**Author:** ![alan9990](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b3f665/32.png) [@alan9990](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/alan9990)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2025, 7:47pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/scaler-and-ni-session-guitarist/18588/2 "2025-01-10T19:47:23Z")
I think this is possibly more a question for the Native Instruments forum? I too use some of their very excellent VSTs, and asked something similar about one of their drum plugins i.e. could I drag the pattern into my DAW to edit it. The answer there was “no”. However, do also be aware that (assuming you run Session Guitarist inside Kontakt) by using Kontakt’s edit functions you may well be able to access the instrument in much more depth. ---
**Author:** ![swingmix](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/swingmix/32/3328_2.png) [@swingmix](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/swingmix)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2025, 2:50am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/scaler-and-ni-session-guitarist/18588/3 "2025-01-11T02:50:32Z")
> [@alan9990](#): > > However, do also be aware that (assuming you run Session Guitarist inside Kontakt) by using Kontakt’s edit functions you may well be able to access the instrument in much more depth. Thanks! Where are the “Kontakt’s edit functions” you mentioned? Do you have any screenshots or videos? ---
**Author:** ![alan9990](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b3f665/32.png) [@alan9990](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/alan9990)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2025, 1:15pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/scaler-and-ni-session-guitarist/18588/4 "2025-01-11T13:15:17Z")
well!! I went to look for you, and take a screenshot, and guess what?? It’s no longer there! I found this on the NI forum… > There is a good possibility the “Deep Editing” of K7 Factory Library Instruments has been removed. There are several Kontakt Libraries (by NI ) that do not allow editing (Analog Dreams, Ethereal Earth, Hybrid Keys, Prime Bass and the Session Guitar Series to name a few) and this is due to the complexity of the scripting that could cause the instrument to break if edited by the user . Your instrument has specifically been nobbled. Here’s what I was expecting (this is from their Retro Machines) Open instrument and click on the spanner icon top left ![Screenshot 2025-01-11 141139](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/uploads/scalermusic/original/2X/a/a572df980d38238b7d5250765033c88be7c1b209.png) and I was expecting this - which is one of numerous editing panes that allow much more granular control over things… ![Screenshot 2025-01-11 141227](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/uploads/scalermusic/original/2X/3/3c9581868a1102a83c97f87aa792db9d600d79ca.png) ---
**Author:** ![Straker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/838e76/32.png) [@Straker](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/Straker)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2025, 11:26am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/scaler-and-ni-session-guitarist/18588/5 "2025-01-13T11:26:19Z")
> [@swingmix](#): > > Is there a way to export these patterns as MIDI that I can then edit? The more recent Session Guitarists do support drag n drop, but not the older ones, eg Mint does. [![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/uploads/scalermusic/original/2X/6/6648e989715b55478d12e382f8cb0862b25cf568.jpeg "SESSION GUITARIST – ELECTRIC MINT Walkthrough | Native Instruments") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4huu2vyWj_I&t=117) So you could drag the midi onto another instrument track, edit it and then have it play another VSTi. (If Im understanding you correctly!)