# S2 - Guitar pondering **URL:** \ **Category:** Scaler 2 General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 29, 2020, 11:22pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/s2-guitar-pondering/3485 "2020-05-29T23:22:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![ClaudioPorcellana](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/claudioporcellana/32/14242_2.png) [@ClaudioPorcellana](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/ClaudioPorcellana)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2021, 9:57pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/s2-guitar-pondering/3485/42 "2021-07-05T21:57:28Z")
> [@davide](#): > > Q4 release Let’s turn our stopwatch ON 😁 ![orologio](https://forum.scalermusic.com/images/transparent.png) ---
**Author:** ![hummersallad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5ac83/32.png) [@hummersallad](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/hummersallad)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 7:34am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/s2-guitar-pondering/3485/43 "2021-07-06T07:34:42Z")
Yes, thanks! It is on a 50% discount right now which is great. But unfortunately I have already just bought Orange Tree Steel Strings so I cannot afford another library/plugin right now. But AAS Strum-GS 2 looks very interesting. I will simply have to look for alternative ways and wait for the Q4 release! ---
**Author:** ![ClaudioPorcellana](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/claudioporcellana/32/14242_2.png) [@ClaudioPorcellana](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/ClaudioPorcellana)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 9:03am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/s2-guitar-pondering/3485/44 "2021-07-06T09:03:17Z")
> [@hummersallad](#): > > Orange Tree Steel Strings I looked the manual (I cannot try it because I don’t like kontakt, and my PC cannot manage modern hypertrophic sampled plugins) so I don’t understand if you can drive it with Scaler in the same way I drive AAS Strum-GS 2, but you can search “Strum-GS 2” in the forum, and you’ll find many proof of concepts of mine, [last one included](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/scaler-is-good-at-west-coast/7689), where I use 1 or 2 Scaler instances to drive the 2 only playable modes of AAS Strum-GS 2 If you cannot drive this way Orange with Scaler, this is another reason for me to be stuck on “AAS Strum-GS 2” whose" strumming experience", compared to the other plugins I tested, is the closest to a real guitar IMHO Its only severe drawback is that there is no MIDI out, so recording pattern variations live is impossible ---
**Author:** ![ClaudioPorcellana](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/claudioporcellana/32/14242_2.png) [@ClaudioPorcellana](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/ClaudioPorcellana)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 9:10am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/s2-guitar-pondering/3485/45 "2021-07-06T09:10:54Z")
> [@hummersallad](#): > > alternative ways one alternative that I think doable with Scaler is the free plugin [Ample Guitar M Lite II](https://www.pluginboutique.com/product/1-Instruments/64-Virtual-Instrument/4520-Ample-Guitar-M-Lite-II) ---
**Author:** ![hummersallad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5ac83/32.png) [@hummersallad](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/hummersallad)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 10:10am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/s2-guitar-pondering/3485/47 "2021-07-06T10:10:01Z")
(Whops! Deleted my post by mistake! 🤪) Thanks! 😀 Now I have several options/ideas that I can explore and that will keep me busy for some time. BTW, I’m not so much interesting in strumming chords but instead fingerpicking melodies. I have realized that in order to make it sound realistic I need to use various key switches on almost every note. So I better get used to that! ---
**Author:** ![ClaudioPorcellana](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/claudioporcellana/32/14242_2.png) [@ClaudioPorcellana](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/ClaudioPorcellana)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 10:29am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/s2-guitar-pondering/3485/48 "2021-07-06T10:29:25Z")
> [@hummersallad](#): > > fingerpicking this is just the thing I am trying to reproduce with Scaler and AAS Strum GS, so please [read this proof of concept](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/scaler-is-good-at-west-coast/7689) that goes in the that direction AFAIK With this setup you can actually have Scaler pressing strings with its virtual left hand making chords, and a 2nd Scaler doing finger picking with its virtual right hand; or you can use your real right hand to tickle the proper keys 🎸 Clearly, all that may work or not with your guitar plugin ---
**Author:** ![ClaudioPorcellana](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/claudioporcellana/32/14242_2.png) [@ClaudioPorcellana](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/ClaudioPorcellana)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 10:31am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/s2-guitar-pondering/3485/49 "2021-07-06T10:31:57Z")
> [@hummersallad](#): > > that will keep me busy for some time I am happy about that But maybe your family is less happy 😁 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![hummersallad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5ac83/32.png) [@hummersallad](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/hummersallad)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 1:48pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/s2-guitar-pondering/3485/50 "2021-07-06T13:48:21Z")
> [@ClaudioPorcellana](#): > > But maybe your family is less happy Well, luckily I’m 67, retired and single so I can do whatever I want 24/7! 🥳 😁 ---
**Author:** ![jamieh](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/jamieh/32/1139_2.png) [@jamieh](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/jamieh)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 4:11pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/s2-guitar-pondering/3485/51 "2021-07-06T16:11:02Z")
Any Kontakt Library can be driven by Scaler in any thinkable combination. And Kontakt sends MIDI to the outside world which opens always new possibilities. Kontakt and Scaler work together beautifully. ---
**Author:** ![hummersallad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5ac83/32.png) [@hummersallad](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/hummersallad)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 5:13pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/s2-guitar-pondering/3485/52 "2021-07-06T17:13:07Z")
Yes, Scaler works great with Kontakt libraries but my problem is finding patterns that sound like a human being actually playing a guitar. 2.5 will hopefully add this feature but Q4 is far in the future! Anyway, I’m hope I can create something useful in the meantime. ---
**Author:** ![ClaudioPorcellana](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/claudioporcellana/32/14242_2.png) [@ClaudioPorcellana](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/ClaudioPorcellana)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 5:26pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/s2-guitar-pondering/3485/53 "2021-07-06T17:26:52Z")
> [@hummersallad](#): > > but my problem is finding patterns that sound like a human being actually playing a guitar. I love Scaler very much, and I use it each day, but I doubt the next release will be able to beat a plugin developed for a particular instrument like Strum-GS, UJAM, etc This because Scaler is not a rompler, and not meant to become in the future So I think that a combination of Scaler and specialized plugin PLUS your hands-on will be always needed my 2 cent of carrots ---
**Author:** ![jamieh](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/jamieh/32/1139_2.png) [@jamieh](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/jamieh)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 5:57pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/s2-guitar-pondering/3485/54 "2021-07-06T17:57:14Z")
NI Session Guitar series. ---
**Author:** ![hummersallad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5ac83/32.png) [@hummersallad](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/hummersallad)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 6:06pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/s2-guitar-pondering/3485/55 "2021-07-06T18:06:43Z")
> [@davide](#): > > We’ve got one of the worlds best guitarist on board Is the guitarist still on board? ---
**Author:** ![hummersallad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5ac83/32.png) [@hummersallad](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/hummersallad)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 6:10pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/s2-guitar-pondering/3485/56 "2021-07-06T18:10:15Z")
Thanks for mentioning NI Session Guitar series. It was not on my radar! They actually have quite a few flavors. Just missed the latest sale so I’ll wait for the next one. BF? ---
**Author:** ![hummersallad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5ac83/32.png) [@hummersallad](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/hummersallad)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 6:17pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/s2-guitar-pondering/3485/57 "2021-07-06T18:17:33Z")
> [@ClaudioPorcellana](#): > > UJAM, etc Totally forgot about UJAM. Their “SILK” guitar was on sale a year ago on VST BUZZ for only €39! Normal price €129! It seems very interesting. Lots of future possibilities! ---
**Author:** ![ClaudioPorcellana](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/claudioporcellana/32/14242_2.png) [@ClaudioPorcellana](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/ClaudioPorcellana)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 6:46pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/s2-guitar-pondering/3485/58 "2021-07-06T18:46:11Z")
> [@hummersallad](#): > > Totally forgot about UJAM About UJAM, there are some posts that may be worthy to read > [@Scaler with UJAM guitars and no hassle, how?](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/scaler-with-ujam-guitars-and-no-hassle-how/6609): > > I asked it already and @davide said the option to add/move playable areas will be possibly added, but what can I do currently? I bought the UJAM Sparkle guitar that has amazing funky patterns, but feeding it with Scaler is a nightmare I tried using MIDI Polysher, as I do with AAS Strum-GS 2, but I was unable to have Scaler’s chords falling in the UJAM Sparkle guitar playable area: any suggestion? Here is the UJAM GUI: as you see the playable area is C4 to C6 and over > [@Best match with UJAM guitars possible?](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/best-match-with-ujam-guitars-possible/6490): > > I am testing the [UJAM Iron guitar](https://www.ujam.com/iron/?gclid=Cj0KCQiAvbiBBhD-ARIsAGM48bytLwpLp2Gb-Y8zX5nq7sYUOAHGWmEqHGYyCP8BUYxLX9cvfiwLd68aAoRGEALw_wcB) that is a wonderful rock guitar plugin when used by fingers but trying to drive it with Scaler is a nightmare because the UJAM Iron playable part goes from C4 to C6 and over while the closest Scaler playable part goes from C3 to C4… exploding_head I know that I can fix the issue with MIDI Polysher, but it’s too tricky to me, so an option to set the playable parts in Scaler could be a godsend smiley > [@Scaler whith Ujam virtual guitar](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/scaler-whith-ujam-virtual-guitar/6880): > > Can the chord exported by Scaler be opened in Ujam virtual guitar without modification? The chord playback is correct. ---
**Author:** ![ClaudioPorcellana](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/claudioporcellana/32/14242_2.png) [@ClaudioPorcellana](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/ClaudioPorcellana)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 6:51pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/s2-guitar-pondering/3485/59 "2021-07-06T18:51:36Z")
My preferred guitar plugin is the [MusicLab Gibson Les Paul](https://www.musiclab.com/products/reallpc/info.html) anyway The only reason why I bought it, then asked for a refund, is that my PC coped perfectly with the demo, BUT crashed with the full plugin that requires a PC way stronger than mine The day I’ll upgrade my PC, I think I’ll go for it, because it works perfectly with Scaler, way better and easier than all the others plugins I tested (that have a demo) ---
**Author:** ![Cliff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b38774/32.png) [@Cliff](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/Cliff)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 7:09pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/s2-guitar-pondering/3485/60 "2021-07-06T19:09:24Z")
> **[RCUserGuide.pdf](https://www.musicdevelopments.com/RCUserGuide.pdf)** > > 4.36 MB RapidComposer can generate these and other patterns based on a chord progression. See manual on Page 74. ---
**Author:** ![ClaudioPorcellana](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/claudioporcellana/32/14242_2.png) [@ClaudioPorcellana](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/ClaudioPorcellana)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 7:32pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/s2-guitar-pondering/3485/61 "2021-07-06T19:32:25Z")
> [@hummersallad](#): > > Lots of future possibilities! Not so many with UJAM The number of patterns is very limited, even if looking at the GUI you may think differently, many patterns sound almost the same (like in AAS Strum-GS 2 BTW), and they don’t have expansion packages (compared to AAS Strum-GS 2 that have a dozen of different pattern packages) ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2021, 8:06pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/s2-guitar-pondering/3485/62 "2021-07-06T20:06:11Z")
Your best bet is the Picked Acoustic, as it uses strumming patterns and picking patterns. Best all rounder. Strummed Acoustic 2 is also very good, you get a six string and a twelve string, the focus being on strumming, as the name suggests. [Previous page](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/s2-guitar-pondering/3485.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/s2-guitar-pondering/3485.md?page=4)