# Pattern generator **URL:** \ **Category:** Scaler 3 Feature Requests\ **Created:** [April 11, 2025, 3:46am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/pattern-generator/21516 "2025-04-11T03:46:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jin8864y](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@jin8864y](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/jin8864y)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2025, 3:46am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/pattern-generator/21516/1 "2025-04-11T03:46:10Z")
I know some people have already mentioned this, but I’d like to talk about a guitar riff and solo generator (Especially for rock music). There’s an abandoned project called _Riffler_. The concept is pretty good, but the developer has neglected it for about a year. I think it’s hopeless. I was hoping Scaler 3 would include this feature, but unfortunately, only a few patterns were added. Adding this feature would make Scaler a perfect sequencer. So, it would be great if Scaler 3 could provide this functionality in the next update. Thank you! ---
**Author:** ![davide](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/davide/32/824_2.png) [@davide](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/davide)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2025, 12:53am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/pattern-generator/21516/2 "2025-04-12T00:53:47Z")
I really like playing with the MIDI Modifiers for any motion, they are really intuitive and just work. They can add harmony, change range, thicken, reduce density, change length it all there. Possibilities are endless and more in control and fun than other random generators. ---
**Author:** ![jin8864y](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@jin8864y](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/jin8864y)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2025, 9:15am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/pattern-generator/21516/3 "2025-04-12T09:15:55Z")
> [@davide](#): > > MIDI Modifiers Hi, Davide. Are you referring to the one in Cubase? Sadly, not everyone uses it. ---
**Author:** ![davide](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/davide/32/824_2.png) [@davide](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/davide)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2025, 10:21am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/pattern-generator/21516/4 "2025-04-12T10:21:57Z")
No, the ones in Scaler 3! ---
**Author:** ![jin8864y](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@jin8864y](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/jin8864y)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2025, 1:43pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/pattern-generator/21516/5 "2025-04-12T13:43:41Z")
Ah, I see. I’m talking about a generator, but not a modifier. Or if more patterns are added, it’ll be helpful as well. Don’t get me wrong. I’m pretty satisfied with Scaler 3. The new version is really useful. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![ClaudioPorcellana](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/claudioporcellana/32/14242_2.png) [@ClaudioPorcellana](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/ClaudioPorcellana)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2025, 2:12pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/pattern-generator/21516/6 "2025-04-12T14:12:32Z")
> [@jin8864y](#): > > I’m talking about a generator I had Riffer 3, and I remember what it was able to do I think an alternative can be an arpeggiator There are 2 good and free to test One is called [BlueArp](https://graywolf2004.net/wp/) Another one is [Randarp](https://www.codefn42.com/randarp/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2025, 3:18pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/pattern-generator/21516/7 "2025-04-12T15:18:33Z")
> [@jin8864y](#): > > There’s an abandoned project called _Riffler_. The concept is pretty good, but the developer has neglected it for about a year. Do you mean Riffer by Audio Modern? I don’t think it’s been abandoned, it just does what it’s supposed to do very well. ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2025, 3:23pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/pattern-generator/21516/8 "2025-04-12T15:23:13Z")
If you’re looking for an alternative, try Venomode’s Phrasebox (soon to be Phrasebox 2, I’m testing the beta). It’s more or less the only arp/sequencer I’ll ever need. ---
**Author:** ![Rembi](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/rembi/32/10094_2.png) [@Rembi](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/Rembi)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2025, 5:04pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/pattern-generator/21516/9 "2025-04-12T17:04:12Z")
Hi I still use Riffer, but newer ones are more abundent. Try something like InstaComposer or Melody Sauce or StepicVST. Good arpeggiators are harder to find, but I like guitar related ones most. ---
**Author:** ![boingy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/54ee81/32.png) [@boingy](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/boingy)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2025, 5:12pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/pattern-generator/21516/10 "2025-04-12T17:12:57Z")
Some of you are confusing Riffer with Riffler [RIFFER by Audiomodern™ | The Creative MIDI Sequencer](https://audiomodern.com/shop/plugins/riffer/) [Riffler: Instant Guitar Riffs App. Home. Endless inspiration, just a tap away.](https://riffler.app/) Both good but very different. Riffler is an iOS app that was going to be ported to Windows VST but seems to have stalled. ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2025, 5:35pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/pattern-generator/21516/11 "2025-04-12T17:35:39Z")
> **[Venomode](https://venomode.com/phrasebox-2)** > > Phrase Arpeggiator ---
**Author:** ![GoliathGrouper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/cdc98d/32.png) [@GoliathGrouper](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/GoliathGrouper)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 12:35pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/pattern-generator/21516/12 "2025-04-13T12:35:54Z")
FWIW, Band-in-a-Box’s solo-generation capabilities continue to impress me. ---
**Author:** ![jin8864y](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@jin8864y](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/jin8864y)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 11:05pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/pattern-generator/21516/13 "2025-04-13T23:05:18Z")
Hi, Claudio. I’ve used all kinds of midi generators, including the ones you recommended, but none of them is impressive. ---
**Author:** ![jin8864y](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@jin8864y](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/jin8864y)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 11:06pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/pattern-generator/21516/14 "2025-04-13T23:06:39Z")
Hi, Ben Phrasebox is pretty good among the midi generators. ---
**Author:** ![jin8864y](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@jin8864y](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/jin8864y)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2025, 11:08pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/pattern-generator/21516/15 "2025-04-13T23:08:48Z")
You are right. Most midi generators are designed for EDM, Hip-Hop or Pop, but not for Rock. Riffler could be a really good one though. It’s sad. ---
**Author:** ![woetato](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/woetato/32/12672_2.png) [@woetato](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/woetato)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2025, 1:35am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/pattern-generator/21516/16 "2025-04-15T01:35:57Z")
I usually use EON-Arp by Modalics but looks like Phrasebox does much the same with the addition of a generator. Any idea when v2 might be dropping? ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2025, 3:50am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/pattern-generator/21516/17 "2025-04-15T03:50:11Z")
I don’t know when, but if you own version 1, the beta is available. Version 2 is also a free upgrade. ---
**Author:** ![Jason\_ZA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5a626/32.png) [@Jason\_ZA](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/Jason_ZA)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2025, 6:12am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/pattern-generator/21516/18 "2025-04-15T06:12:55Z")
Being able to load MIDI Effects as an instrument (e.g. Phrasebox 2) for a Chord Follow track for instance would be a useful way to be able to use your own patterns in Scaler 3. Being able to load a MIDI Effect Plugin, followed by an Instrument and then Audio Effects would be the GOAT in terms of workflow. MIDI Effect ==\> Instrument ==\> Audio Effects ---
**Author:** ![Jason\_ZA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b5a626/32.png) [@Jason\_ZA](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/Jason_ZA)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2025, 6:16am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/pattern-generator/21516/19 "2025-04-15T06:16:51Z")
Being able to use Phrasebox 2 (and MIDI effects in general) in Scaler 3 would be the ultimate, if you want your own phrases/patterns/arps in one program. MIDI Effect ==\> Instrument ==\> Audio Effects ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2025, 7:21am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/pattern-generator/21516/20 "2025-04-15T07:21:58Z")
> [@Jason\_ZA](#): > > useful way to be able to use your own patterns in Scaler 3 Exactly this. For people who want to use their own ideas for patterns, this is perfect use case. Personally, I don’t use the motions, or whatever for same reason I don’t use Unison midi packs. Feels a bit unfulfilling. [Next page](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/pattern-generator/21516.md?page=2)