# How good instruments should be made: open **URL:** \ **Category:** Scaler 2 Tutorials\ **Tags:** AbletonLive\ **Created:** [March 20, 2021, 9:24pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/how-good-instruments-should-be-made-open/6694 "2021-03-20T21:24:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Bernd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/bernd/32/1320_2.png) [@Bernd](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/Bernd)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2021, 11:44pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/how-good-instruments-should-be-made-open/6694/21 "2021-03-21T23:44:37Z")
Interesting how your DAW says 5% and your computer says 26%. Must be doing something else other than music. But what I love most that the Italian version of Windows comes with built in **Disco**! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![ClaudioPorcellana](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/claudioporcellana/32/14242_2.png) [@ClaudioPorcellana](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/ClaudioPorcellana)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 1:02am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/how-good-instruments-should-be-made-open/6694/22 "2021-03-22T01:02:10Z")
> [@Bernd](#): > > Must be doing something else other than music. Sure that there are other things The N.1 sucker is Bit Defender, then the email tool, then a series of dictionaries always at hand to understand the slang of the many pals here 🤪 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![ClaudioPorcellana](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/claudioporcellana/32/14242_2.png) [@ClaudioPorcellana](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/ClaudioPorcellana)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 1:03am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/how-good-instruments-should-be-made-open/6694/23 "2021-03-22T01:03:07Z")
> [@Bernd](#): > > built in **Disco**! what?!? 🤔 , aha I see what is Disco LOL ---
**Author:** ![Bernd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/bernd/32/1320_2.png) [@Bernd](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/Bernd)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 1:54am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/how-good-instruments-should-be-made-open/6694/24 "2021-03-22T01:54:37Z")
Sadly, with Ableton Live 11 Standard you get zero Disco. Figures that they’ll make you pay extra for grooves 😉 ![image](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/images/transparent.png) ---
**Author:** ![Bernd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/bernd/32/1320_2.png) [@Bernd](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/Bernd)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 2:02am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/how-good-instruments-should-be-made-open/6694/25 "2021-03-22T02:02:20Z")
I think Toontracks is part of the surveillance capitalism complex. They have specifically lowered their prices just now in response to this conversation on price we’re having. [Weekend Deals](https://www.toontrack.com/weekend-deals/) At $59 it’s hardly expensive anymore, and it’s as cool as Claudio says 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Bernd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/bernd/32/1320_2.png) [@Bernd](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/Bernd)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 4:02am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/how-good-instruments-should-be-made-open/6694/26 "2021-03-22T04:02:53Z")
So @ClaudioPorcellana since you have both Scaler and EzKeys… is it possible to take Scaler output and store it in the EzKeys library? ![image](https://cdck-file-uploads-canada1.s3.dualstack.ca-central-1.amazonaws.com/flex012/uploads/scalermusic/original/2X/7/782940651313d88cb4df346781f6b03c99580a84.jpeg) Like on the left side, it looks like it can reference any folder on disk, are those vanilla MIDI files, or do they have to be in Toontrack proprietary format? ---
**Author:** ![ClaudioPorcellana](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/claudioporcellana/32/14242_2.png) [@ClaudioPorcellana](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/ClaudioPorcellana)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 10:16am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/how-good-instruments-should-be-made-open/6694/27 "2021-03-22T10:16:31Z")
> [@Bernd](#): > > Sadly, with Ableton Live 11 Standard you get zero Disco. Figures that they’ll make you pay extra for grooves Not exactly… My zillion of musical resources is into an external HD currently, it is a normal metal and gears HD, but I will soon acquire a super-fast external SSD ---
**Author:** ![ClaudioPorcellana](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/claudioporcellana/32/14242_2.png) [@ClaudioPorcellana](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/ClaudioPorcellana)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 10:17am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/how-good-instruments-should-be-made-open/6694/28 "2021-03-22T10:17:23Z")
> [@Bernd](#): > > part of the surveillance capitalism complex. hahahaha in Italy conspiracy theorists say “noncielodicono” ---
**Author:** ![ClaudioPorcellana](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/claudioporcellana/32/14242_2.png) [@ClaudioPorcellana](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/ClaudioPorcellana)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 10:21am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/how-good-instruments-should-be-made-open/6694/29 "2021-03-22T10:21:31Z")
> [@Bernd](#): > > is it possible to take Scaler output and store it in the EzKeys library? Never tried this… And I think it’s useless because you can save the MIDI output into the Ableton Project But I’ll do the check for you ---
**Author:** ![ClaudioPorcellana](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/claudioporcellana/32/14242_2.png) [@ClaudioPorcellana](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/ClaudioPorcellana)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 10:41am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/how-good-instruments-should-be-made-open/6694/30 "2021-03-22T10:41:04Z")
maybe this is the answer, but I’ll try this later > **[Topic: The Ability to Add Your Own Style Folders](https://www.toontrack.com/forums/topic/the-ability-to-add-your-own-style-folders/)** > > I have thousands of pro midi files with piano parts that could be made into my own libraries. ---
**Author:** ![ClaudioPorcellana](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/claudioporcellana/32/14242_2.png) [@ClaudioPorcellana](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/ClaudioPorcellana)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 10:44am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/how-good-instruments-should-be-made-open/6694/31 "2021-03-22T10:44:28Z")
And about their MIDI I suspect they are embedded in some strange file i.e. you cannot use them directly moving their MIDIs elsewhere it makes a lot of sense, considering the hordes of crackers around 😉 So when I say “OPEN” I mean that I can feed a plugin with my MIDIs (or made by Scaler) and output the spiced MIDIs to feed other instruments (of the same developer, or others) ---
**Author:** ![Bernd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/bernd/32/1320_2.png) [@Bernd](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/Bernd)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 2:19pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/how-good-instruments-should-be-made-open/6694/32 "2021-03-22T14:19:15Z")
> it is a normal metal and gears HD, but I will soon acquire a super-fast external SSD Sounds like a new music style: METAL & GEARS, or a band name? 🤪 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Bernd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/bernd/32/1320_2.png) [@Bernd](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/Bernd)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 2:21pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/how-good-instruments-should-be-made-open/6694/33 "2021-03-22T14:21:43Z")
Thanks for checking! I appreciate it. I’ve actually investigated Skippy’s UNIFY plugin host, and it looks like that one might enable me to do what I have in mind, namely to programmatically (remote control) switch between MIDI tracks, not just the flat files, but the different dimensions of harmony (chords), expression, timing, etc. For each dimension I will have a knob/fader to influence the overall song. ---
**Author:** ![ClaudioPorcellana](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/claudioporcellana/32/14242_2.png) [@ClaudioPorcellana](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/ClaudioPorcellana)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 2:43pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/how-good-instruments-should-be-made-open/6694/34 "2021-03-22T14:43:43Z")
> [@Bernd](#): > > METAL & GEARS, or a band name? cool idea! I’ll use that ---
**Author:** ![ClaudioPorcellana](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/claudioporcellana/32/14242_2.png) [@ClaudioPorcellana](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/ClaudioPorcellana)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 3:24pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/how-good-instruments-should-be-made-open/6694/35 "2021-03-22T15:24:13Z")
> [@Bernd](#): > > and it looks like that one might enable me to do what I have in mind it reminds me a tool I found yesterday wait that I find it look at this [video about Camelot Pro](https://youtu.be/MZua58fDIro) ---
**Author:** ![lelek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/919ad9/32.png) [@lelek](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/lelek)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 4:17pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/how-good-instruments-should-be-made-open/6694/36 "2021-03-22T16:17:38Z")
> [@Bernd](#): > > At $59 it’s hardly expensive anymore That would be $1 below my “pain threshold” 🤣 How did they know? 🤔 I fully support your conspiracy theory now 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![ClaudioPorcellana](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/claudioporcellana/32/14242_2.png) [@ClaudioPorcellana](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/ClaudioPorcellana)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 10:47pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/how-good-instruments-should-be-made-open/6694/37 "2021-03-22T22:47:15Z")
I am afraid you must buy EZkeys @lelek and @Bernd 🤣 look here you can drag & drop a Scaler’s pattern in Favorites, then in the EZkeys player: doing that (2 passages) you maintain e.g. the durations and maybe other changes now I check it ![Cattura](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/uploads/scalermusic/original/2X/9/9be61eb73dcf6618b6169794f4cfb4112bebd6c4.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![ClaudioPorcellana](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/claudioporcellana/32/14242_2.png) [@ClaudioPorcellana](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/ClaudioPorcellana)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2021, 10:56pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/how-good-instruments-should-be-made-open/6694/38 "2021-03-22T22:56:24Z")
BINGO! If you move the chords into the Favorites, then into EZkeys you keep ALL the variation you applied in Scaler, and EZkeys remember your series of chords Then you can use the randomizer that is quite a smart guy, not the stupid version from riffer & the so And/or you can apply any of the several MIDI packages this is a bomb to me ---
**Author:** ![Bernd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/bernd/32/1320_2.png) [@Bernd](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/Bernd)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 2:37am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/how-good-instruments-should-be-made-open/6694/39 "2021-03-23T02:37:08Z")
Very cool! Thanks for sharing! I have since confirmed from watching some demo videos that it also provides MIDI out to other VSTs. Of course I’ve missed the $59 sales window last weekend, since I don’t ever buy under time pressure 😉 ---
**Author:** ![ClaudioPorcellana](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/claudioporcellana/32/14242_2.png) [@ClaudioPorcellana](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/ClaudioPorcellana)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2021, 10:33am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/how-good-instruments-should-be-made-open/6694/40 "2021-03-23T10:33:16Z")
> [@Bernd](#): > > it also provides MIDI out to other VSTs. Sure, I think I said that before 🤔 I often use it to drive the Hammond that is still lacking in their series But I also used it to feed guitars and other stuff [Previous page](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/how-good-instruments-should-be-made-open/6694.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/how-good-instruments-should-be-made-open/6694.md?page=3)