# Getting MIID from Cubase Into Scaler 3 **URL:** \ **Category:** Scaler 3 General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 1, 2025, 1:27am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/getting-miid-from-cubase-into-scaler-3/22600 "2025-06-01T01:27:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![macster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e79b87/32.png) [@macster](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/macster)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2025, 1:27am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/getting-miid-from-cubase-into-scaler-3/22600/1 "2025-06-01T01:27:01Z")
I would like some way, any way, to get recorded midi from a track in Cubase (Pro 14) and playing, dragging, detecting, whatever) so that each chord will be the same length in Scaler 3 as it was in Cubase. I have tried Capture MIDI Detect MIDI, Detect Audio, Dragging, Real-time recording , using scaler 3 as an insert and/or a Instrument track, etc. But no matter what the chord lengths are in Cubase, they all end up being 4 beats long once they are imported into Scaler 3. This is whether dragging or playing real-time from Cubase. I would like to use some Scaler 3 performance features with the imported MIDI and then drag/play it back into Cubase for further editing. I don’t remember having this problem in Scaler 2. Scaler 3 is getting level from the Cubase MIDI track and actually (only when using Detect Audio) names the chords as they come in but the all chord lengths,(except those that are 4 beats long 😀 ) are wrong. I have also have used the + Icon to drag it down do track in the “C” area. I gotta be missing something… Thanks for any help! -mik ---
**Author:** ![Tristan](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/tristan/32/10397_2.png) [@Tristan](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/Tristan)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2025, 2:25am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/getting-miid-from-cubase-into-scaler-3/22600/2 "2025-06-02T02:25:57Z")
Hi @macster there seems to be a bit of confusion here. You mention: > [@macster](#): > > once they are imported into Scaler 3 It sounds like you are using the MIDI detection menu to import MIDI. Is that correct? Detecting MIDI in Scaler 3 does not take into account chord duration or timing. It simply presents a list of detected chords in Section A, and lists detected scales in Section B. Scaler 2 worked much the same way. > [@macster](#): > > I would like to use some Scaler 3 performance features with the imported MIDI Scaler’s motions (performances) really need to be triggered by chords, rather than responding to existing MIDI files in realtime. So a MIDI file will need to be detected by Scaler 3 first, then those detected chords need to be arranged on Scaler 3’s main track, making any necessary timing adjustments. Then you can apply a motion and it should be in sync with your existing MIDI file. But there are alternative approaches to this, such as drawing trigger notes in Cubase to trigger detected chords, or using MIDI capture to record detected chords being triggered using bound notes with a motion active which will create a MIDI file you can drag in to Cubase. You may like to watch the recent tutorial video on MIDI capture for more on this: [https://youtu.be/9fHwoWYIxtM?si=nggGWSWMQdQ10pAR](https://youtu.be/9fHwoWYIxtM?si=nggGWSWMQdQ10pAR) ---
**Author:** ![macster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e79b87/32.png) [@macster](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/macster)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2025, 9:13pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/getting-miid-from-cubase-into-scaler-3/22600/3 "2025-06-02T21:13:43Z")
Hey Tristan! Thanks so much for the response! I have watched this video previously several times and I learmned a lot from it. But it doesn’t exactly address my problem. In the video, he is starting with a chord progression already in Scaler and goes on to edit from there. I need to get an existing chord progression that is in Cubase into Scaler and keep the druiation of each chord as it was in Cubase. Hopefully these images will help: This is the chord progression as it is in the Cubase Key editor (100bpm): ![1](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/uploads/scalermusic/original/2X/d/d1eef6c5572a77f039dfa772ccc16849790a35c0.png) As you can see, the chords are of different lengths, Some are a quarter note long, others an 8th note, etc. **Scaler 3 1.0.7** Simply dragging that MIDI block into straight into scaler using Detect MIDI Mode gives me this: ![Dragging Chords From Chord Set To Main](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/uploads/scalermusic/optimized/2X/7/750d8266e3e9109a5d70ade7df27c5ba3991bb40_2_690x63.png) Notice that all chords are 4 beats long in Scaler. (BTW: Dragging this right back into Cubase showed all chords were changed to 4 beats. So that just that simple task changed the MIDI.) Now I drag that down to the main section and get the same thing. (just covering all the bases here) ![Dragging Chords From Chord Set To Main](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/uploads/scalermusic/optimized/2X/7/750d8266e3e9109a5d70ade7df27c5ba3991bb40_2_690x63.png) Next I tried Detect MIDI and I put the Scaler 3 Audio version into an insert on that track. Scaler was getting audio levels from the MDI Itrack perfectly. I then clicked on the blinking record button and played it back in Real-time into Scaler 3. I then dagged the result down to the main section and I got this: ![Detect MIDI R-T Insert Drag To Main](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/uploads/scalermusic/original/2X/0/092f90d02ffe561c80ed2344861049da1e70c570.png) Still all 4 beats beats long. ThenI used the same method as above except using Detect Audio: ![Detaect Audio R-T Chords wrong](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/uploads/scalermusic/original/2X/1/1fe77d6c54055581313a197c78b468c453d3c4d7.png) As you can see it got all the chords wrong and still all the same length. Next I went back to using Scaler on an instrument track and used Capture MID by clicking the record button and then after playing it back in real-time, opening the folder: In this case I got nothing. ![Capture MIDI R-T frrom Cubase](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/uploads/scalermusic/original/2X/7/7ea44549f69bb444a7f97daf3f8559086088fe15.png) **Scaler 2 - 2.9.0** Using Capture MIDI in **Scaler 2** I played the same thing back from Cubase into Scaler 2, then dragging it into Cubase I get this ![Scaler 2](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/uploads/scalermusic/original/2X/a/ab2775613c6b8e26774a0a726091f08f432c49ee.png) It’s Perfect!!! I’m happy to try any other method that will keep me from having to do tedious editing in Scaler 3. Again, your response is really appreciated! -mike ---
**Author:** ![davide](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/davide/32/824_2.png) [@davide](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/davide)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2025, 4:07am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/getting-miid-from-cubase-into-scaler-3/22600/4 "2025-06-03T04:07:29Z")
Hi @macster OK got you! I didn’t even realise that was a thing; using MIDI Capture to live capture MIDI in your DAW. I’ve always used MIDI Detect for this. Not sure why you would use MIDI Capture as you can’t use the timing in Scaler 2 but interestingly this may be a way for us to keep the timing and populate Section C with the chords and the timing. Interesting food for thought for us. PS - Scaler 3 DOES Capture MIDI live input the same was as Scaler 2 does. ![Screenshot 2025-06-03 at 14.10.37](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/uploads/scalermusic/original/2X/2/27f47b7fc9972f565bf2a2dd337e1e4db3a95e25.png) ---
**Author:** ![macster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e79b87/32.png) [@macster](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/macster)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2025, 10:43pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/getting-miid-from-cubase-into-scaler-3/22600/5 "2025-06-03T22:43:54Z")
Davide, I know you guys must be totally busy, so know that your time is very much appreciated. All of the proceedures below were done in MIDI Detect mode. But the manual is a bit vague on how to do this ```auto (After selecting your preferred detection method, press Record in the popup. The button will highlight to indicate that recording is active. After detection, Scaler 3 processes the input and presents the results in an intuitive way.) ``` It doesn’t say how to get midi into scaler. (Open it, drag it, real-time detection, or something else? So I tried all 3. First I imported MIDI by clicking the Scaler record button and then clicking on the folder icon in Scaler 3. A window opened, I selected the standard MIDI file and opened it. This is how it looked in Scaler: ![Scaler After Detection Import From Folder.png](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/uploads/scalermusic/original/2X/0/0b510f20b8a5d45de51e8fc1ca17dbcc5107b6bd.png) I then dragged it over to the Cubase Project window to compare. The two results are from the exact same file. ![Projrct Window Lengths Import Frrom Folder](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/uploads/scalermusic/original/2X/7/720ce26d33c4da72c5100b0dab8a84b3c8605c73.png) Now a view in the Cubase Key Editor. (Original is in red and Scaler is in green) Sync to DAW is on. ![Editor Comparison Import from folder Detect](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/uploads/scalermusic/original/2X/a/a4c7380b219529d22bd8aafd87fb337649732430.png) **Now for real-time input into scaler:** For this I played the Cubase midi (in pink below) into scaler from Cubase in real-time. (Original in pink, Scaler in Green) ![Detect - Real Time Input](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/uploads/scalermusic/original/2X/a/a5e466f9347eda3e58fe21ba4ce5390b2e907a4c.png) Now the same thing in the Cubase Key Editor. (Original in orange, Scaler in Dark red) ![Detect Editor Comparison Real Time](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/uploads/scalermusic/original/2X/8/8c0d2d28d5ee23327353f8af54c5dfde604cba8c.png) **Now just a straight dragging into scaler:** From Cubase: ![Staight drag from Cubase to scaler](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/uploads/scalermusic/original/2X/b/b7e6b09e1826011c2b9a01b367e2a72718fb67c2.png) Standard MIDI file from desktop: ![Staight drag from desktop Standard Midi file to scaler](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/uploads/scalermusic/original/2X/9/9bb4cd6b1d51a48f7bcdee3bd71ce9cc7fde9fb8.png) Straight drag of Standard Midi file from desktop to scaler. (View in Cubase Project Window) ![Staight drag of Standard Midi file from desktop to scaler Project Window](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/uploads/scalermusic/original/2X/1/1ac1a5af3ecd6b56af630fa18200a0666f98d3d7.png) Hopefully this explains things a bit better. I tried to be as detailed as possible, but I certainly could have missed something. If I’m indeed missing something, or doing something incorrectly let me know so I can get things going with Scaler 3! Thanks again! mike ---
**Author:** ![davide](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/davide/32/824_2.png) [@davide](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/davide)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2025, 2:43am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/getting-miid-from-cubase-into-scaler-3/22600/6 "2025-06-04T02:43:10Z")
Hi Mike, just to be clear here. there is currently no way to import the rhythmic details of a chord progression. That is, you can get the chords but not the lengths of them. That’s something we can now begin to think about with Scaler 3 and chord lengths are a thing. Hope that is clear. ---
**Author:** ![vondersulzburg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/3bc359/32.png) [@vondersulzburg](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/vondersulzburg)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2025, 3:13pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/getting-miid-from-cubase-into-scaler-3/22600/7 "2025-06-04T15:13:34Z")
@davide Yes if this is realized in section a or as a alternative in section c or both let us use any existing chordprogression ore a hook or a vocal from where ever and get the corespondent scaler3 chords and with the right length and from that point on we can develop further bass, melody … and so on with the so easy to use scaler3 and then bring it back to the DAW for refinement. Hopefully soon There are a lot of hobby/bedroom producer. I think this will help us a lot ---
**Author:** ![KingKeli](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@KingKeli](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/KingKeli)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2026, 10:07am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/getting-miid-from-cubase-into-scaler-3/22600/8 "2026-09-02T10:07:49Z")
Hi everyone, I’d like to revisit this topic, given that Scaler’s stance on the matter hasn’t changed— Scaler 3.3 still ignores timing and rhythm during MIDI Import. I fully understand that the tool isn’t meant for copying songs but is intended to remain a creative instrument that relies on the user’s own input. I’m happy to leave the limitations for audio tracks as they are, but for MIDI… It’s worth noting that it’s not just “bedroom producers” who need to save time, but professionals as well. In the real world—and in the age of AI—I sometimes have only a week to present initial ideas and the main theme. If I were to generate initial drafts using something like MIDI Wizard—and then curate and tweak them—I could use Scaler 3 to quickly create effective instrumentation for demo purposes. That would be a huge help. Logic doesn’t have these limitations, though it does struggle with precision when composing using the Session Player. You just can’t win 😄 ---
**Author:** ![davide](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/davide/32/824_2.png) [@davide](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/davide)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2026, 1:40am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/getting-miid-from-cubase-into-scaler-3/22600/9 "2026-09-03T01:40:30Z")
We’ve got some big investments coming in this area. It will be amazing but we’ve concluded that it requires a complete re-work of some of our tech - it’s underway. ETA Scaler 3.5 - Q1 27. ---
**Author:** ![KingKeli](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@KingKeli](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/KingKeli)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2026, 8:26am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/getting-miid-from-cubase-into-scaler-3/22600/10 "2026-09-03T08:26:59Z")
That would be great, and I think I speak for many people—especially professionals—when I say I’d be happy to pay extra for that - Scaler 3 is a wonderful tool, and with these features, it would be unbeatable 🫠 …and it doesn’t have to be a big deal; it could be more of a “hidden” feature: If you could use a recorded user track as a main track…