# Diatonic & Voicing Options for Pass-through Chords? **URL:** \ **Category:** Scaler 2 General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 11, 2023, 8:14am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/diatonic-voicing-options-for-pass-through-chords/14451 "2023-09-11T08:14:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Bernd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/bernd/32/1320_2.png) [@Bernd](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/Bernd)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2023, 8:14am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/diatonic-voicing-options-for-pass-through-chords/14451/1 "2023-09-11T08:14:39Z")
Forgive me if I might have asked this before… but I am interested in figuring out (or feature requesting?) that these options available in section B within a Scaler instance where I already chose a scale… ![image](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/uploads/scalermusic/original/2X/c/c6bfad79d5763fbbba2e616fe0508c51d315bc82.png) …are also available for pass through chords, that are fed from a master Scaler. So for example, if I pass through (via MIDI chaining across plugins) a simple C minor chord (Voicing 1), that I can use that secondary Scaler instance, that is being fed this chord, to now interpret it in a different voicing, or make a 7th or 9th chord out of it etc. Is this feasible? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![davide](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/davide/32/824_2.png) [@davide](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/davide)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2023, 8:18am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/diatonic-voicing-options-for-pass-through-chords/14451/2 "2023-09-12T08:18:52Z")
I’m a little unclear here @Bernd What would be the difference to dragging it to section C, then editing for a suggestion or even hitting suggest to get different voicing/extensions? ---
**Author:** ![Bernd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/bernd/32/1320_2.png) [@Bernd](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/Bernd)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2023, 8:39am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/diatonic-voicing-options-for-pass-through-chords/14451/3 "2023-09-12T08:39:13Z")
The difference is one of workflow friction…that would require a lot of editing and lead to static configuration that would have to be manually changed. My approach is daisy-chaining multiple Scaler instances, with a master Scaler providing the core scales or chord progressions, and then subsequent (dependent) Scalers re-interpreting these chords, while staying in harmony. So the key difference is that as I change the chords/Progressions in the master scaler, I expect the downstream (dependent) Scalers to automatically adapt to these chords they get fed. If I were to edit in each downstream Scaler the section C chords, that would require a lot of editing overhead, and not lend itself to a more more performance style playing. I also didn’t think the Scaler sync feature would address this, since it still requires another manual (not MIDI automatable) step. Unless I misunderstood your suggestion? ---
**Author:** ![davide](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/davide/32/824_2.png) [@davide](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/davide)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 1:14am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/diatonic-voicing-options-for-pass-through-chords/14451/4 "2023-09-13T01:14:20Z")
Hey I think I got you. The only live ‘force’ mode that Scaler would do is when Keys Lock, Performances etc are on. So the only changing of a chord you could do in your method is playing a voicing and having the second scaler adapt that voicing to a keys lock or performance setting. Not reinterpreting it in a ‘extended’ way which I think is what you are after. Hope it helps even though I don’t think it does! ---
**Author:** ![Bernd](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/bernd/32/1320_2.png) [@Bernd](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/Bernd)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 10:26am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/diatonic-voicing-options-for-pass-through-chords/14451/5 "2023-09-13T10:26:50Z")
Thanks @davide , I will have to try that and play around with those options a bit. I think what I am after is pretty straight forward, and does not even require any scale recognition let alone performances. All I am looking for is for a given input chord to get a different voicing, regardless of what scales that chord might be part of. It is no different than having a chord in section B (loaded from the Scale selection), calling it up there under a different Voicing setting. Not sure if this would be called “transpose”? Example: input chord is Cmin (C2, D2#, F2) and transposed output could be C1, D2#, F2, C3). Now that I am describing it at that level of detail, I think I might have just realized that there might be a Bitwig NoteFX plugin to do something like that…will get back on that later, if it works. ---
**Author:** ![davide](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/davide/32/824_2.png) [@davide](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/davide)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 9:17pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/diatonic-voicing-options-for-pass-through-chords/14451/6 "2023-09-13T21:17:53Z")
A ha. I get it, like a live transposer. Scaler can detect live chords and apply performances etc so actually what you are suggesting is a great idea and Scaler already has that capapbility. I guess you would either select a profile of which one could be random. That would allow limited players like us to play simple triads and get some nice extensions. @Tristan Could you please add this to our dev board and let’s discuss some ideas for it… ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 4:12pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/diatonic-voicing-options-for-pass-through-chords/14451/7 "2023-09-14T16:12:12Z")
> [@Bernd](#): > > there might be a Bitwig NoteFX plugin to do something like that Are you thinking of Pitch 12? ‘if this note than transpose by X’ ---
**Author:** ![fossile](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/fossile/32/5572_2.png) [@fossile](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/fossile)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 5:13pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/diatonic-voicing-options-for-pass-through-chords/14451/8 "2023-09-15T17:13:22Z")
if its MIDI, then MIDIOX and associated tools could be a potential solution. ---
**Author:** ![panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/71c47a/32.png) [@panda](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/panda)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 9:38pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/diatonic-voicing-options-for-pass-through-chords/14451/9 "2023-09-15T21:38:48Z")
I looked some time ago at this, but it was 32 bit only and was up to Vista. I just checked again and the web site hasn’t changed - last news was 2011.