# Any thought to giving us a mirror notes function? **URL:** \ **Category:** Scaler 2 Feature Requests\ **Created:** [December 23, 2021, 2:18am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/any-thought-to-giving-us-a-mirror-notes-function/8958 "2021-12-23T02:18:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![TMacD](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/tmacd/32/6358_2.png) [@TMacD](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/TMacD)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2021, 2:18am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/any-thought-to-giving-us-a-mirror-notes-function/8958/1 "2021-12-23T02:18:28Z")
Since I spend most of my time working with Scaler’s Performance modes, I am always impressed with how well Scaler manages changing performance settings in real time with out missing a beat. With that as a backdrop, has the team ever considered giving us a _Mirror Notes_ function? Considering Scaler is all about helping find and create interesting music, it seems a natural fit I use this in Studio One all the time when I’m looking for interesting combinations and being able to turn it on and off while exploring or playing like I do all the other Sclaler performance settings, would effectively double the number of potential performance modes with a relatively minor investment in dev resources. Thanks for listening. ---
**Author:** ![jamieh](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/jamieh/32/1139_2.png) [@jamieh](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/jamieh)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2021, 2:30am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/any-thought-to-giving-us-a-mirror-notes-function/8958/2 "2021-12-23T02:30:52Z")
That sounds like it could be quite interesting. ---
**Author:** ![davide](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/davide/32/824_2.png) [@davide](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/davide)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2021, 2:52am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/any-thought-to-giving-us-a-mirror-notes-function/8958/3 "2021-12-24T02:52:58Z")
Like as in mirror the degrees within scale so E,D,C in a major scale becomes E,F,G? I like the idea of reverse pitch which is what I think you are suggesting. ---
**Author:** ![yorkeman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/edb3f5/32.png) [@yorkeman](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/yorkeman)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2021, 11:43am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/any-thought-to-giving-us-a-mirror-notes-function/8958/4 "2021-12-24T11:43:07Z")
I read this and recalled a video made by Jacob Collier which sort of linked the concepts of “mirror notes”, “negative harmony” and “neo-Riemannian” approaches to tonal theory. Way above my theory pay grade, but my cautious question here is if, and if relevant, how, are mirror notes note ideas related to the existing Scaler N-R features ? One maybe for @jamieh and @davide to comment on. ---
**Author:** ![jjfagot](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/jjfagot/32/5698_2.png) [@jjfagot](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/jjfagot)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2021, 3:36pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/any-thought-to-giving-us-a-mirror-notes-function/8958/5 "2021-12-24T15:36:38Z")
> [@Wishlist for Scaler 3.x for MIDI control](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/wishlist-for-scaler-3-x-for-midi-control/7341/23): > > More on negative harmony: I have collected pictures on how-to youtube videos on negative harmony. This one is in Spanish, but the music and chords look great, and Jaime explains it very well. [[Qué es la Armonía NEGATIVA??? un truco buenísimo para cambiar los acordes de una canción] ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2vq48fvivU) In the image that I share are the addresses of the other 2 videos that I liked a lot too ---
**Author:** ![TMacD](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/tmacd/32/6358_2.png) [@TMacD](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/TMacD)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2021, 5:13pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/any-thought-to-giving-us-a-mirror-notes-function/8958/6 "2021-12-24T17:13:50Z")
> [@davide](#): > > Like as in mirror the degrees within scale so E,D,C in a major scale becomes E,F,G? I like the idea of reverse pitch which is what I think you are suggesting. Not sure of the specific terminology so as @jamieh always reminds me, here is what it looks like in Studio One. (Original, Mirror on Middle, Mirror on 1st note) The Vertical flip (not shown) is also interesting but seems to result in fewer happy accidents. ![image](https://forum.scalermusic.com/images/transparent.png) To be clear, this function will not always result in something interesting and certainly sometimes things that don’t sound “complete”. However, not unlike the quantize feature which can be used to tame things in interesting ways, you will find cool stuff in unexpected places. I do all the time. Considering Scaler writes performance data directly to the chord. it would seem to give us a large pallet of new performance sequences for a reasonable dev investment. Sure, you could do this in your DAW, but that misses a key point of Scaler…to find and create interesting musical textures quickly. Anyway, hope this helps. ---
**Author:** ![davide](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/davide/32/824_2.png) [@davide](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/davide)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 6:12am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/any-thought-to-giving-us-a-mirror-notes-function/8958/7 "2021-12-25T06:12:57Z")
Yes this is a reverse pitch function which can either be quantised to scale or reversed to exact position. We are currently thinking of ways to implement this as part of a larger thought process which includes negative harmony, pattern repeat and other modes of melodic writing. Stay tuned! ---
**Author:** ![ClaudioPorcellana](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/claudioporcellana/32/14242_2.png) [@ClaudioPorcellana](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/ClaudioPorcellana)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 9:07pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/any-thought-to-giving-us-a-mirror-notes-function/8958/8 "2021-12-25T21:07:05Z")
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**Author:** ![yorkeman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/edb3f5/32.png) [@yorkeman](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/yorkeman)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2021, 9:23pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/any-thought-to-giving-us-a-mirror-notes-function/8958/9 "2021-12-25T21:23:58Z")
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