# Any progress on Scaler 2.5 crashing Ableton Live? **URL:** \ **Category:** Scaler 2 Support\ **Created:** [January 27, 2022, 4:44am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/any-progress-on-scaler-2-5-crashing-ableton-live/9280 "2022-01-27T04:44:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![terbano](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/terbano/32/5000_2.png) [@terbano](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/terbano)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2022, 4:44am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/any-progress-on-scaler-2-5-crashing-ableton-live/9280/1 "2022-01-27T04:44:32Z")
Hi! I love scaler, but it crashes Ableton Live 11 on my 2018 macbook pro running mojave 10.14.6 so often its become extremely difficult to be creative with. I am constantly losing chord progressions in the middle of working, which is obviously as about frustrating as frustration can be. Its the only plugin I use that causes crashes in Ableton. Does anyone have any reports on fixes? ---
**Author:** ![jamieh](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/jamieh/32/1139_2.png) [@jamieh](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/jamieh)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2022, 4:58am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/any-progress-on-scaler-2-5-crashing-ableton-live/9280/2 "2022-01-27T04:58:04Z")
Have you tried turning off OpenGL? That worked for me in Cubase. > [@Scaler crashing Logic](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/scaler-crashing-logic/5770/7): > > Hi @chrissm sorry to hear about the ongoing issue. You could try to disable the OpenGL rendering and see if it improves: You can disable OpenGLRendering from the ScalerSettings application. MacOS: Press CMD+Space to open the Spotlight Search and type “ ScalerSettings ” Go to the Help page and click “Turn OFF OpenGL”: Also, would you mind sending me the crash log next time it happens? [ed@tonicbits.com](mailto:ed@tonicbits.com) Thanks, Ed ---
**Author:** ![terbano](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/terbano/32/5000_2.png) [@terbano](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/terbano)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2022, 9:28pm UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/any-progress-on-scaler-2-5-crashing-ableton-live/9280/3 "2022-01-27T21:28:39Z")
Hi Jamieh, Much thanks for the reply - I have now disabled opengl as advised - fingers crossed 👍 Thanks! Tom ---
**Author:** ![terbano](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/terbano/32/5000_2.png) [@terbano](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/terbano)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 1:03am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/any-progress-on-scaler-2-5-crashing-ableton-live/9280/4 "2022-01-31T01:03:58Z")
Unfortunately, this did not solve the crashing in Ableton Live 11. Open GL is disabled, still lots of random crashes. Would love to get word from Scaler - any fix for this? Also, more bad news - When ableton crashes, whatever changes have last been Saved to the session are not recalled on relaunch. unfortunately Scaler is becoming unusable. Please pipe in anyone - Update - the crashes are becoming regular and more frequent. Scaler is the only plugin crashing ableton like this. Any thoughts, Scaler? ---
**Author:** ![jamieh](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/jamieh/32/1139_2.png) [@jamieh](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/jamieh)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 2:06am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/any-progress-on-scaler-2-5-crashing-ableton-live/9280/5 "2022-01-31T02:06:25Z")
What Scaler are you using VST, AU or VST3? What are you doing when the crash occurs? Any commonalities? If you have Scaler in a session alone does it crash? Are you using the latest Ableton 11.0.12? Anything else you can tell us about your setup that might help. Can you pst a Live session that has crashed? ---
**Author:** ![terbano](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/terbano/32/5000_2.png) [@terbano](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/terbano)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 2:43am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/any-progress-on-scaler-2-5-crashing-ableton-live/9280/6 "2022-01-31T02:43:56Z")
Hi Jamieh, I’m using Ableton 10.0.12 and Scaler VST. macbook pro 2018 with touchbar running Mojave 10.14.6 Even if I use scaler in this small empty project with only 1 ableton synth, it crashes randomly when i try to edit chords in a pattern. Also, when it crashes, even if I’ve saved the pattern, it reopens as whatever version of the pattern existed before the run of ableton in which scaler crashed. Here is a link to the ableton project: > **[iCloud Drive - Apple iCloud](https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/064Frj62ZH7le5vQz2aejz4ZQ#Crashing_Example_Project)** > > Store, organize and collaborate on files and folders with iCloud Drive. Easily upload, delete or recover files. Changes will sync across your devices with iCloud. Thanks Jamieh, Let me know your thoughts ---
**Author:** ![jamieh](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/jamieh/32/1139_2.png) [@jamieh](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/jamieh)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 5:45am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/any-progress-on-scaler-2-5-crashing-ableton-live/9280/7 "2022-01-31T05:45:42Z")
> [@terbano](#): > > Hi Jamieh, I’m using Ableton 10.0.12 and Scaler VST You mean 11.0.12 right? That’s what it says it was created with. There doesn’t seem to be a problems so far. What do you do when you edit a chord? Change notes or… ? There is a missing plugin called VSX. What did that do. It was on the master out. ---
**Author:** ![terbano](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex012/user_avatar/forum.scalermusic.com/terbano/32/5000_2.png) [@terbano](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/terbano)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2022, 6:10am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/any-progress-on-scaler-2-5-crashing-ableton-live/9280/8 "2022-01-31T06:10:11Z")
Apologies, that was a typo. Yes, I am in 11.0.12 VSX is an audio plugin. Scaler crashes whether or not that plugin is in the session ---
**Author:** ![benomis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b19c9b/32.png) [@benomis](https://forum.scalermusic.com/u/benomis)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2023, 2:13am UTC](https://forum.scalermusic.com/t/any-progress-on-scaler-2-5-crashing-ableton-live/9280/9 "2023-05-16T02:13:28Z")
I am using a MacBook Pro M1 Max and Scalar 2 crashes all of Ableton 11.2.11 when I first start up a new project and click & drag Scalar 2 into the arrangement view. I have redownloaded it twice. Would really love for this plugin to run smoothly, would really improve my creative flow… 🙂